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Chinese Sliding Table Saws

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
I am in the market for a sliding table saw. While doing research I have found dozens if not more options. The origins of this style saw seem to be European and there are a few big names that usually come up:

Felder
SCM
Altendorf
Martin

Each with multiple options and grades (consumer through fully automated industrial).

Where it gets interesting is the when you dig into all the other brands. Many companies have jumped on board with this style saw. There are so many varieties that it is difficult to even compare them at this point. Grizzly and Laguna have their versions at a reasonable discount from the equivalent Felder or SCM. It seems almost all of them are made in china and many are rebranded or modified of similar base saws. Some of the very high end models might be still made in Europe, but I know even the Euro-brands have started outsourcing to China as well.

Chinese manufacturers have been pushing a lot more "retail" through sites like Alibaba for many things including machinery. It seems easily possible to save 5-10k of the sticker price of a name brand saw and have the exact same parts inside it. I have seen a couple of reviews of these saws with mostly positive results. The biggest complaint was arranging shipping.

One of the brands I was really interested in is Lead Machinery. They appear to be a really close knock off of Felder for way less money.

https://greatlead.en.alibaba.com

Has anyone gone this route or dug into it enough to determine whether a direct-from-china saw is worth pursuing? or is it possible to separate the good from the trash? I find it difficult to image so many of these saws are being fabricated and nobody is actually buying them.

This decision would be way easier if I could walk into a showroom and touch one, but rolling the dice on something completely site unseen is hard to swallow. Lead appears to at least attend major industry shows in China.
 
#2 ·
My concern is warranty and service. Lead has a one year and I would be concerned about service, especially if you get any of the digital upgrades. Felder is 10/6 years on significant portions of the saw (I don't know what the warranty is on the electronics) and they have service already here in the states. I would want to get local reviews before going the direct china route on a 5-10K piece of machinery.
 
#4 · (Edited by Moderator)
Sliders are really difficult to build right. Paolini is known for being a lower cost Italian made slider and also for not holding up to commercial use.

Likewise you may be hard pressed to find happy owners of Grizzly sliders.

All said though the Chinese will sooner or later catch the Europeans and top quality Chinese machinery will be available. I just don't think it will be especially cheap in price.
 
#5 · (Edited by Moderator)
OK… I'm going to get political here… so feel free to leave now.

China has stopped buying quality Australian steel for inferior supply. I can only conclude that the quality of their products is only going to get worse than it is now.
Parts may look the same, however, composition may vary dramatically. A burnt roast and a nice pavlova may come out of the same oven… but… (fill in your own conclusion).

Sometimes it's hard to imagine that the quality of out tools are in the hands of politicians.
 
#6 ·
Quality, in manufacturing terms is if you built what you intend to build. If the brand name provides a crappy design with poor tolerances and poor reliability, but the OEM builds it as specified, no worse, no better, then the quality is high.

Do not confuse what quality means in manufacturing with consumer perception, price point, or design. Those are more abstract and artificially set by bias, advertising, and history.

Most tools are sold to a price point. To get there, it is a race to the bottom until you get to Grizzly and Harbor Freight. China can make anything as well as anyone if the brand name pays for it. If the brand name pays for price-point junk, that is what the OEM will produce.

Example:
The same company who has made consumer class leading SawStop saws also makes Grizzly saws at the bottom of the class. $1200 or $3800. Your choice. I bought their own brand name and I judge the quality to be about in the middle. I paid about in the middle.

The OEM builds what was bid. Quality of our tools is in the hands of the brand name as driven by the market. Not the politicians. Don't get me wrong, I have plenty of things to beat up China on. IP theft, counterfeiting, hacking, human rights, pollution, maritime violations, unfair competitive subsidies, etc. All that is not even political.

US quality? OK go buy a Delta saw. Their quality is very low as they do not consistently build the same fit and finish.
 
#7 · (Edited by Moderator)
I've got quite a bit of experience with high end European woodworking machinery(Italian and German).
Both Altendorf and SCM sliders.
Holz-her Vertical Panel saw.
SCM Shapers, Sanders, Multi Rip.
Weinig Moulder.
Busellato cnc router.

All this machinery runs everyday, 5-6 days a week, 8-10-12 hrs a day, to high tolerances …..because it can.
European engineering(particularly German) and quality is second to none and the support and customer service, which is EXTREMELY important, matches. Especially long term.

Altendorf sells a slider for $40K….Shenyang sells the "same" saw for $6-7K There's a reason for that and it isn't just cheap labor.

A 6 head Moulder that Weinig sells for $200K They sell for $15K??? Really!? Just flush your money down the toilet and go for a beer and be done with it.