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#1 posted 07-05-2009 08:27 PM
So I’m confused…am I untalented or lazy? I’ve failed at this furniture thing for over a decade, so just when should I quit fighting the universe. I spent a day last week talking to some gallery owners and interiors designers. I have my inventory at rock bottom prices and I could not even get them to look at my web site. I’m not saying not to dream or to try, but you damn well better be prepared to loose you shirt. As far as I could see the last thing they wanted was something original. Slaves of fashion….
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#2 posted 07-05-2009 08:30 PM
Hey there PatrickI think part of your title says it all “Dream Management” I’m a full blown woodworking nut I sleep eat and drink woodworking but there’s one thing we have to manage first our family and a little thing called food ,rent or mortgages. service to country etc. etc. The dream can be fulfilled but life gets in the way for some, to suggest that your not passionate enough if you have to swing a hammer or bag groceries to make ends meet suggest perhaps you don’t have a family or financial concerns. If I’m misinterpreting your blog forgive me . But with me above all comes family first and if I’m never a David Marks or high end artisan so be it.
-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture
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#3 posted 07-05-2009 08:34 PM
Well said Deniss it’s not as easy as some of the dreamers make out. When you and the kids have mountains of bills and not enough money for food you’ll know it’s time to do something else.Some have real luck that helps without it your pretty well dommed to failure, unless your rich enough to treat it a s a game or hobby most people starting out don’t have that luxury.So not being negative or realistic is sometimes dreamtime being sensible is being prudent.Alistair
-- excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease
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#4 posted 07-05-2009 09:10 PM
Dreaming is good, but sometime you have to wake up. The facts of the matter are not all stories have happy endings. Even when the good guys do everything right. It is an unfortunate truth, but a truth nonetheless.
I admire the pros and their ability to find an outlet for the talent. And, I feel for folks like Dennis who is clearly talented, but has yet to find a reliable outlet, if one exists.
Nike has it wrong when they say “Life is short, play hard” the truth is, life is hard play short. But even that ain’t no guarantee.
-- Working at Woodworking http://www.VillageLaneFurniture.com
#5 posted 07-05-2009 09:13 PM
Roger that, Hello dennis, I remember a year ago you said stop posting and get in the shop! So I heeded the wake up call. Your all correct. Choices of life’s luxuries do conflict. Ya see after service to country. This woodworker lost his shirt, and everything else that went along with it. True I don’t have children or a mortgage and don’t live in the good old real world anymore so much. 8 yrs of living outside kinda did that to me. I’ certainly didn’t mean to word what I said to offend. I love you guys here. And found some wonderful fuel here. I was only reading a post from that irish kid and was sad when people seemed to be saying Don’t try you won’t make it! Or It’s the economies fault you wont make it. Be prepared to fail.. But some do make it and pretty well. Hey I didn’t make it yet either w my paintings, whatever the it is I’m looking for so rapidly now.I got my life back, and don’t worry about money cause I don’t have enough to worry about! You guys are wonderful. And My writing comes across pretty bad sometimes. Due to the way my brains darts around.I was just trying to say If the kid you or I want a legacy of intense creative value, It is possible. Through letting go of most of what you have. But to say it’s not gonna happen to a dreamer is nasty. By the way Dennis I happen to think You’ve made it, and have done and will do great things. I respected you the first time wrote about sidharta. So maybe I was just reflecting on my own pace!!! And honestly pushing myself. Maybe being selfish with what I wrote. I’ll keep it simple: I need to chase this thing and never stop. Cause it saved me. If I went out and won kids and a mortgage I’m sure I’d be singing a different tune. Then again maybe not.
#6 posted 07-05-2009 09:22 PM
Dennis, Have you tried bringing your works to ny. Polo grounds, the armory show, trade shows around new england. I’m just saying cause I see work that’s 1/2 your talent selling. And selling for sick money. There’s quite a lot of shows like this, high entry fee’s but rich people spending. Oh well, it’s too late for me to quit I’ve rebuilt the time I have left to do this thing. So I say nike has it right. When should you quit? fighting the universe?Never!If it’s what makes you, you! and get joy from your creations. Sorry for not wanting to settle. I settled for too long. I think D you’re just warming up. I’m not AT ALL saying it’s about the result for me either I’m saying some can let go of what others find more important AND still succeed in their dreams. It is possible I found proof.
I’d really like to stick around Lj’s again cause I like a lot of you and love woodworks. But the Realism here can often get me down. Reality is what you make it. No one is forced to live any one way. That;s the beauty of it all. We fought for freedom to choose yeah? Like my scatter words or not I hope, to enjoy our bond here. Yup weather ya like it or not your even bonded to me through tiny fibers in wood.
#7 posted 07-05-2009 11:54 PM
It’s as hard to break into as any other ART, be it painting , acting, film work, Music. Think about it. Sacrifice seems to be the key. To go pro. A lot of sacrifice and time. The right sacrifices, the right amount of time. I’ve seen some whicked very cool designs here in ny in a year open a shop and receive deals with ABC and some other modern design gallery’s in soho. So it’s possible. If somethings not working dart left if left doesn’t work shoot right.While still tapping your most creative ideas.Realistic Prudent Safe conservative hmmm
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#8 posted 07-06-2009 12:07 AM
I have managed so support myself for the past five years through woodworking. Started very small and attended every local craft fair and show around. Spent many hot days under a tent and cold weekends in school gyms until I built a customer base. Then I joined a couple of local and regional art guilds and got my stuff in galleries. From there business started taking off. I have not turned my back on the small stuff that I turned that sells for under $30.00 – pens, rattles, spinning tops etc as in this economy a lot of folks don’t have the money for the high end stuff. My shop/studio is always open for folks to drop in and I always have a good selection of items available. It takes hard work, a lot of time and dedication to the art form.
-- Those that say it can't be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.
#9 posted 07-06-2009 12:11 AM
Hey Patrick I think the last sentence in your top revised statement hits the nail on the head of what you really wanted to say in the first place,”It’s not cool to discourage next generation woodworkers from the trade that may barely still exist but will survive.”
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#10 posted 07-06-2009 04:03 AM
What do you mean “It seems to be working”. $100,000 a year, $50,000 a year, $25,000 a year, breaking even but having FUN. Is it your only income. What percentage do you attribute woodworking to your income. I don;t mean to pry or discourge but this is the internet and it’s all about information. I live in a very real world and I DO NOT like to misled others. Sounds like you making a living in the arts field including woodworking. NY is probably the best place to be for that type of work. Hope you suceed.
-- God is great, wood is good. Let us thank Him for wood......and old hand tools.
#11 posted 07-06-2009 01:12 PM
I just wrote another 200 words and erased them. LOCATION AND CHOICES. What kind of life you want.Are we Talking about Artists that HAVE TO DO this thing the rest of your life. Do You really Have a Choice?If you have a choice, Don’t Do IT!!! KEEP IT AS A HOBBY… According to some feedback, we’d have no musicians, no painters, no sculptors. Yes I count some woodworking as sculpture. Just as tough.. Odds are ya won’t make it, But telling a kid forget it> Is Wrong! Cause I think you’d be surprised at the number of professional artists here. Did I not make it clear? I’m saying it’s possible….That’s All….Likely that most trying won’t sacrifice having kids mortgages or comfort or yrs of no money or sanity…or whatever each individual needs to give up… Not saying you cant do it with all those things cause people do!!!!!! See I already went through insane amounts of sacrifice and suffering, so trying this is much easier, than being trapped in your head after the desertor ‘camping outdoors in nyc’ after art school for 6-8 yrs Chasing Demons. I make enough, yes I also buy n sell antiques… for about a 1/4 of my fundage. Built ins 1/4 side jobs greenhouses. SO YES I Don’t Just Do my Personal Art 100% of the time today.But i will tomorrow. Also I never use the web for show Too easy for folks to click and drag your ideas if they’re genuine ideas, such as my 3D graffitti carved chair backs, and built in jelly fish aquariums, and 3 sweet projects I’m not talking about , period. See letting too much out… Guess this is why I took a yr off the computer TO BE IN THE SHOP. The time typingI should be working on working it to the next level….. Yo, Every runner doesn’t go to the olympics….But the one’s that try I respect…..If that’s their dream. Like Dennis He should Have his own Shop right here in soho. He’d sell. And creativity be appreciated. And I know his drive Is Right. Pretty insightful too! Thank You guys for engaging with me on this. Honestly I’d Rather show ya than Tell ya!!!!! haha right?? Thank you Dennis, A1jim, Jeff Thewoodcracker scotsman, russel , dave. I just wasted an hour here, and shoulda started 55 min ago. Much REspect to all of you. Best POINT MADE NY A1JIM > Hey Patrick I think the last sentence in your top revised statement hits the nail on the head of what you really wanted to say in the first place,”It’s not cool to discourage next generation of woodworkers from the trade that may barely still exist but will survive.”And brother It will survive!!!! I think we’ll soon see a great desire for the return of hand crafted Art.Some are starting to look at some woodworks and living artists as a greater investment. Ok, Think Ye’ Bloggen Dozen Is Kaput !one more thing, God, Country, Physical shape, conditioning of the mind (which yes I need more), competition, and friendships. Key elements I Strive for as tools To wield my tools, so don’t be a tool and be negative.Don’t say no one really ever makes it. To says it’s harder than imagined fine, but encourage rather than discourage Our country needs Art more than ever!!!!!!! Time for a creative wake up call nationwide. Saving for one semester at college of the redwoods may be a good starting point for some. Like nike said just do it.Stay in shape, and keep your passion tight! Make it or not, doing- is the best reward, searching for the next level is a glorious thing. If you gotta do what you gotta do to make your Art and it means that much Do It. Love ya all. Napkin rings are the future… beep beep bloob Have a Great Day!One more time I was told a long time ago, If you have a choice ! Forget it. I you have to do it. Well You Have to Do It. Some call it OCD some say your Crazy. Hey my father was a failed actor trying for 40 yrs. He still sits in his attic writing screenplays cause he has no choice. Much Love Much respect, Patrick : Out: What ever level you chase: woodworking is beautiful and spiritual. I’m beating a dead horse, looking for allies. I’m Puttin it Down I’m pickin it up. Working on a 4 day and night sculpture film w 2 Hd cams starting down range thursday, skipped this months bills for it. A choice. Now how to stay up for 4 days n nights for this fim>No idea. But gotta say F it and go for it. Two cameramen coming to stay in my railroad apartment. Comfort doesn’t come with this Chase. But the Chase is Life for some. Like woodcracker above. Chasin’ his dream and dennis. Just hope I add an tiny ounce of fuel like some have done for me…. I like to be pushed and challenged.Stay positive summon the inner athlete and dream. Think Outside your box, cave, or town. Love you’z guys.
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