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Blog entry by venicewoodworker posted 03-19-2011 03:44 AM 3508 reads 0 times favorited 14 comments Add to Favorites Watch

OK, so here I am at a crossroads in my life. I grew up woodworking with what my father taught me in our basement woodshop. Dad had plenty of quality powertools and he taught me well how to use them. My Great Grandfather was a Carpenter and woodworker also. I have a lot of his antique tools. I have an old Baily #4 with patent dates of Mar 02 and Aug 02. It is really cool. I am going to restore this and start to teach myself (at the young age of 40) how to properly use a hand plane. I asked my father why he never used hand tools. His response was “Why, when you have power tools.” I figure that he didn’t know how to use one and was afraid to ask someone. Whatever, finding these tools has given me a breath of fresh air. I also have a non identifiable #4 with a corrugated sole. I am taking them to the Tampa woodworking show tomorrow to see if someone in a woodworking club can give me some info. Also, the frog is broken on the Bailey. The adjustment lever at teh rear of the plane is broken off. The cast is broke. I think I found an antique tool guy in Washington that has a replacement. I don’t care if it is original, I just want it to be working again. Like I said, this plane belonged to my Great Grandfather.

So, now you know a little about me, does anyone know of a GOOD DVD that I could purchase that would show how to set up, tune and proper techniques for using a plane?

Any help would be helpful.

On a side note, I just found out that Lee Valley will be there tomorrow…....I figure if I am going to learn how to do this by hand, I might as well buy that Bevel Up Jointer Plane, Right?

Have a Great weekend all!!



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#1 posted 03-19-2011 06:22 AM

There is a DVD that was put out by Rob Cosman called “The Great Hand Plane Revival” Its the only one I have seen but he goes over everything you will need to know on how to tune an old plane.

As for parts you could also check ebay. There are a lot of guys on ebay who sell plane parts. The #4 is really common so there should be parts on there for a decent price.

-- Dan - "Collector of Hand Planes"

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#2 posted 03-20-2011 07:59 AM

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#3 posted 03-20-2011 07:44 PM

Try this site. It’s a great resource for Stanley planes. http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan1.htm
Also this one. http://www.hansbrunnertools.gil.com.au/Stanley%20by%20numbers/Stanley%201.htm
Once you’re familiar with what Stanley type plane you have, I’d go to ebay & watch for a beat up one to get for parts. No. 4’s are common & not too pricey.

Be careful not to get hooked on starting your own collection.

I started pretty much like you, re-doing an old one of my dad’s & wanting to re-learn the stuff he & my old shop teacher taught me a long time ago. I’ve come to love using them. It’s kind of like therapy of a sort.
I probably have 15 or so different older Stanleys & a couple of Millers Falls planes of different sizes & uses in my shop now. (My opinion is that those are the only really good readily available older planes out there)

And if you head this direction, keep telling yourself, as I do, “I am NOT a collector, I an NOT a collector.” -SST
-SST

-- Accuracy is not in your power tool, it's in you

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#4 posted 03-21-2011 12:56 AM

FYI…....I think I need help. Just bought a Bailey #5 on Craigs List. Same patent numbers as my #4. I am not a collector.

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#5 posted 03-21-2011 01:43 AM

Guys there are plenty of excellent blogs on refurbishing ole planes here on this site. Dan up above has a great blog series going on. Dennisgrosen has some great information on rust removal in his blogs. many many more…

-- Superdav "No matter where you go - there you are." http://chiselandforge.com

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#6 posted 03-22-2011 04:33 AM

Keep saying it. I am not a collector. It’ll ease the pain. But seriously, folks… I think from personal experience that it’s easy to get hooked. While i really don’t call myself a collector, I suppose I’m sort of a collector because I probably have more planes than I absolutely need. (24 that are restored, sharp, and ready to use)

If you just wanted to have planes in the shop that you might use on a reasonably regular basis, I think a good core would include: (I’ll use Stanley #’s here because I’m familiar with them) a #4, #5, (maybe)#6, a #9 1/2 block, #60 1/2 low angle block, and #92 shoulder.

I try to justify some of my extras by having the duplicates set differently, lighter cut/heavier cut which minimizes adjusting them. Some are specialty like the # 78 and the old 45 (sounds like records, eh?) that I’m working at learning, and some were just cheap so I couldn’t pass them up. Sometimes I just go into the shop & make shavings. It’s good practice & good therapy.

By the way, have you picked up any good hand saws yet???
There’s so many varieties, so many opportunities…

-- Accuracy is not in your power tool, it's in you

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#7 posted 03-22-2011 05:05 AM

Yep, repeat after me, Tom, Dave and Dan, “I am not a collector.” I just need this one more… or maybe it is It was such a bargain I had to rescue it. ;)

Planes are such a different method of working wood. They are addicting for so many reasons, but I am NOT a collector.

-- Galootish log blog, http://www.timberframe-tools.com

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venicewoodworker

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#8 posted 03-22-2011 05:28 AM

Well, I bought the number 5. Just because it has the same patent dates as my #4. So I think I am starting a collection starting here. Especially since I have been bidding on a Bailey #7 on ebay. I think I need help.

As far as the saw thing goes, I was just looking at my collection tonight. I have 7 hand saws from my Great Grandfather. One Douglas, One Stanley strong-back and a couple of others. The only thing I am missing (and trying to purchase) is a bow saw. Soon, it will happen. But first, I am trying to convince my wife that the Joiner’s Chest that I found, from the mid 1870’s id not just full of tools, but it is a piece of furniture and a conversation piece. She is not buying it, so any help would be appreciated.

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#9 posted 03-22-2011 05:29 AM

I am not a collector.

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#10 posted 03-22-2011 06:08 AM

I’m not a collector either I am a USER. ha.. I refurbish every one. And the one I can’t (cause I haven’t figured out how to forge yet) go into the waiting pile.
Try this link you may have to get a membership. Go to the Videos tab -The American Wood shop- The second video antique woodworking tools. Is a bit on the mystic museum with 50,000 + planes. link
Hello my name is Dave and I have a plane problem ;)
Oh good lord the day I start on carving chisels. My wife is gonna kill me.

-- Superdav "No matter where you go - there you are." http://chiselandforge.com

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#11 posted 03-22-2011 07:20 AM

Yes, the joiners chest is a piece of furniture. I think they make great coffee tables. Of course I haven’t convinced the wife of that yet either…. if you come up with a sales pitch that works, let me know so I can use it for my own benefit LOL

-- Galootish log blog, http://www.timberframe-tools.com

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#12 posted 03-22-2011 07:00 PM

Yup, I can see that you’ve definitely been bitten. Too late to get immunized. All we can do now is to make you as comfortable as possible. Best way to do that??? Get some new old tools.
By the way, a word of advice on the planes. Before you get too nuts, it’s not a bad idea to do some reading/research on scarcity, usefulness, values, etc. Otherwise, you could end up spending more than you should on something.
Other than that, enjoy the ride. -SST

-- Accuracy is not in your power tool, it's in you

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#13 posted 03-26-2011 03:40 AM

Just bought a Bailey #6. I am not a collector, but I think I need help.

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#14 posted 03-26-2011 03:44 AM

Ok now start you a blog series on restoring all these [items] your not collecting. haha you got the bug. there is a very old blog I would be honored for you to read…
My name is Chip, and I'm a walnut addict......

-- Superdav "No matter where you go - there you are." http://chiselandforge.com

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