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I am embarking on my first piece of actual furniture. It is going to be a bed, which I am making for myself.

I saw something I really liked and inspected it thoroughly.. then drew up a design.

design

This is what the rough design looks like. I would really appreciate some input.

The foot/head is 24” tall and the sides are 12”. I may knock the sides down a bit, I’m not sure. I have some 2×6 so it may end up being 11”...

What I am going to do for the head/foot is use plywood and then add a face to it. I have been making 1/2” planks from scrap wood to make a facade. It’s mostly pine, but also some oak and redwood. By pine I mean “dimensional lumber I have planed until I like it”.

One of the things I like best about the design is how you do not see any legs from the sides. The mattress will sit inside of it, so you will not see the interior of the frame. I want it to sit inside just enough so that it won’t move. Maybe 2”..

It’s a full-size bed.

My questions are as such:

1) Should this be sturdy enough? Will one vertical in the centre be okay, or should I have more?
2) I have a lot of 3/4” OSB – would that be ok as the backing/structure pieces? Or should I get plywood? Will 3/4” ply be okay? I would do it for all four outside pieces.
3) For the brace pieces (the yellow ones in the drawing) what size should the wood be?
4) What wood would be best for the support planks (the periwinkle)? I would prefer to use generic 1×2 or 1×3 but I’ve never done this so I don’t know…
5) I was kind of thinking of routing grooves for the planks to go in the support beams. So that everything lies flush. Yes/no? (It’d be easy for me to do..)

Also, I am making this so that I can disassemble it as necessary. (I anticipate moving a few times over the next 2-3 years) so I’m thinking of using metal brackets for all of the assembly. I’m thinking of something like this. For the centre rail I’m thinking of something like this.

Please forgive my noob-ness. I appreciate any and all suggestions!

-- Lis - Michigan - http://www.missmooseart.com - https://www.etsy.com/people/lisbokt



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lumberdustjohn

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#1 posted 1546 days ago

Looks like plenty of support to me.

Here’s what I use.
I use 3 cross supports oak 3/4×3 inches for a full and twin bed.
A queen and king gets 4 supports with the center of the supports getting braces to the floor.

-- Safety first because someone needs you.

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PurpLev

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#2 posted 1546 days ago

for a full-size you probably don’t need the leg in the center. the 3 cross bars should be more than enough.

as for the design – it’s a bit high for my taste (had something similar). if you are setting it this high, its usually to make use of the space underneath, in which case you may want to make the sides plywood narrower to give you more access to the space below – just a thought.

I wouldn’t worry about flushing the slats with the cross bars, they are not for beauty – just to support the mattress while still leaving room for air to circulate. you may want to notch them however to keep them from moving around ( or screwing them to the bars would be the other more common alternative

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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tyskkvinna

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#3 posted 1546 days ago

The flushing idea was so that they would not move. :) Nothing aesthetic.

I am happy to hear all of this! I was really concerned it would not be sturdy enough. Maybe I’ve just heard too many horror stories of IKEA beds.

-- Lis - Michigan - http://www.missmooseart.com - https://www.etsy.com/people/lisbokt

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crank49

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#4 posted 1546 days ago

How high above the sides do you expect the mattress to extend. I only mention this because the design looks a little like a waterbed frame. I never cared for the sideboards knocking me in the head if I got too close to the edge, or digging into the backsides of my legs if I was sitting on the bed with my legs hanging over the side.

Don’t know why I am volunteering this information, slim chance I’ll ever be near that bed.

By the way, I like a lot of your art.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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LittlePaw

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#5 posted 1546 days ago

Lis, I think you should have two to three upright support under the center beam. To be absolutely stable, I would use 2 2×4’s (vertical bolted together) along the center and supported by 2 to 3 supports to the floor. I built a similar waterbed frame before with 2×10’s and later found the center too weak and the bed wabbled and squeaked. That was not good. Better to be on the “too strong” side rather than to take it apart to re-enforce it later.

-- LittlePAW - The sweetest sound in my shop, next to Mozart, is what a hand plane makes slicing a ribbon.

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tyskkvinna

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#6 posted 1545 days ago

I really appreciate the input, everybody!

I hadn’t thought about the hitting-the-frame-laying-down problem. Thing is, I’m hoping to not have to use a boxspring at all (Foam mattress) so it may be closer to the surface. But I haven’t purchased the new mattress yet, either. Research, research.

Thanks LittlePaw. That’s kind of what I was thinking but I wasn’t sure if it was too overkill. I suppose – over-engineering is not a problem.

-- Lis - Michigan - http://www.missmooseart.com - https://www.etsy.com/people/lisbokt

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Beginningwoodworker

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#7 posted 1545 days ago

Looks good to me.

-- CJIII Future cabinetmaker

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Troy

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#8 posted 1544 days ago

You may want to designin a toe-kick on the end. Will make it a little easier to make the bed

-- Troy Bouffard || Master Sergeant, US Army (Retired) || http://www.birchhillwoodcrafts.com

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Talyn

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#9 posted 1542 days ago

Are you going to do any of your art design to the wood, like any V carving? Also I think Baltic Birch Plywood is the best for strength and V carving.

-- Harry --- Never Give Up, Never Surrender, www.cncdesignwork.com

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tyskkvinna

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#10 posted 1542 days ago

No v-carving. I have a couple of relief things I’m going to do but they’re extremely geometric and simple.

I love ornate work, but not in my furniture.

-- Lis - Michigan - http://www.missmooseart.com - https://www.etsy.com/people/lisbokt

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damon

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#11 posted 1538 days ago

structurally, and almost an afterthought, you could add a cleat, -2×4” that runs horizontal along both the head and foot board, underneath (and supporting) your 2×4 rails- this should allow a much better connection of your middle rail, rather than simply butting into to your plywood (I wouldn’t use OSB) – and with that in place, for a full size, I concur, you won’t need that middle leg . Also- you could add rigidity to the entire rectangle by tucking a few ~6” plywood right triangles into the inside corners, otherwise there’s no member in this design (besides the boxspring) that preserves the square of your rectangle ;-) Have fun!

-- Damon, Right Angle Construction

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tyskkvinna

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#12 posted 1538 days ago

That’s good timing – I was kind of mulling over this last night and was considering that very same cleat idea.

Also—definitely no boxspring. I was kind of in the air about it previously, but determined over the weekend that the reason my bed was kind of tilted presently is because the box-spring is broken. I’ve wanted out of boxspring land for a while, anyway.

-- Lis - Michigan - http://www.missmooseart.com - https://www.etsy.com/people/lisbokt

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BritBoxmaker

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#13 posted 1535 days ago

Lis, I’ve been using a bed of this type of design, every night, since the late 80’s. Initially I was worried about the single cental, 4” x 1” of softwood, running the whole length (and no central vertical) but its been over 20 years and its still holding up well.

Martyn

-- Martyn -- Boxologist, Pattern Juggler and Candyman of the visually challenging. http://www.theartofboxes.com

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