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Forum topic by TomB19 posted 05-25-2015 07:28 PM 856 views 0 times favorited 7 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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TomB19

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05-25-2015 07:28 PM

I’m sure this has been discussed, ad nauseum, but I haven’t found anything relevant in a brief search. A link or even search term help would be appreciated.

I have some fir lumber, both new and old. The old stuff is really old. Old growth. It’s like hardwood.

It has been drying in my shop for three years. My moisture meter isn’t particularly trustworthy but it shows in the 5% moisture range.

Most of it was recovered from a house I demolished some years back but it has been cleared of nails.

Even in areas where the grain is perfectly straight, it chips out. I’ve tried both the really old stuff and some stuff that has been drying a couple of years old.

I’ve been trying to mill a 1×3 with a bull nose. I don’t have a bull nose bit so I’ve been using a 3/8” roundover. It has been chipping like crazy in areas where the grain is being slightly crossed (just a few degrees). Climb cutting helps in these areas but with the grain not being perfectly straight, I would have to climb cut/straight cut in tiny increments. It would take forever.

I’ve seen plenty of nicely milled fir, so I know it can be done.

I’ve been contemplating using a humidifier to bring the moisture level up closer to 10%.

Thank you in advance for any help! :)


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exelectrician

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#1 posted 05-25-2015 07:46 PM

I have done a lot of fir and what I have found is dull tools will chip and tearout for sure. I keep a set of razor sharp bits reserved for only fir, that way I usually get great results. One more thing, feed slowly and take incremental cuts with the last cut being just a few thousandths for that glass smooth finish, with almost no sanding needed.

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TomB19

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#2 posted 05-25-2015 08:38 PM

One of the pieces of info I didn’t include is that I am using a Yyonico router bit. They’re not the best, to be honest, but I’ve had reasonable service out of most of them with a hand full of duds that should never have been shipped.

I’ll try implementing your advice with a fresh Whiteside bit and see what happens.

Thank you, former electrician. :)

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Ghidrah

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#3 posted 05-25-2015 09:28 PM

Fir is brittle, use sharp bits, lite cuts and follow the grain. Even VG Fir will chip, you may even need to employ climb cuts to minimize tear out.

-- I meant to do that!

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#4 posted 05-25-2015 10:13 PM

If you’re using a hand router, try going in reverse direction—from right to left. Just be sure to go slow and hang on tight so it doesn’t run away from you. I’ve had good success with otherwise chip-prone woods. Taking it in a couple of passes is still probably best.

-- The first cordless tool was a stick. The first power tool was a rock.

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#5 posted 05-25-2015 10:14 PM

I think your on the right track with Whiteside bits. Carbide Processors.com has really good prices for them. I bought several awhile back and have no complaints about the bits or the service there.

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#6 posted 05-26-2015 12:19 AM

I have milled a lot of old growth Doug Fir salvaged from my dad’s 60 year old barn and have had the chip out/ slivering problems. A sharp/quality bit helps but routing with numerous shallow passes is a better option (especially with that 3/8” roundover which removes a lot of wood with a full depth pass.) A little tedious but less so than having to make a new piece after your router shredded the original.

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TomB19

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#7 posted 06-01-2015 04:45 AM

Thank you gentlemen. The help is much appreciated.

I’m having much better results with a Whiteside bit and shallow passes.

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