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Forum topic by Eric M. Saperstein posted 08-29-2009 05:23 AM 1123 views 0 times favorited 8 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Eric M. Saperstein

766 posts in 1995 days


08-29-2009 05:23 AM

Greetings,

I can see from some of your profiles that many LumberJocks are also into fishing – given several of you even posed with your catch in your profile pictures! Teri and I have taken a few trips together that included some fishing and one of our long term goals is to make it to Alaska – just to go, but also to find ourselves some activities to keep us entertained. Fishing being one of many …

About ten years ago Patty Edel was back in New Jersey for a visit and while getting the grand tour of the latest updates to our house she mentioned a few times her appreciation for the skills required to restore a house, build furniture, and admired a few of the carvings around the house. Meanwhile she was describing her travels, and at the time lack of any real roots or base to personalize as her own. Of course my comments focused on her lifestyle, mostly being a bit jealous that she is literally living day to day what the rest of us have to save up for a year to experience for a week every so often.

Now – regarding the topic question “Is a fishing guide an artist?” ... take a moment and read this blog entry and let us know what you think. My vote is yes – the characteristics of a good guide (fishing, hunting, etc.) correspond with those of an artist.

This may not be something you have thought about before – but if you do put some thought into it you may find that you can improve your skills in the field, on the stream, or in the shop by changing your methods of observation and focus. Creative inspiration comes from many sources – and for many of us that are into woodcarving the outdoors is often one of the primary pallets.

http://www.artisansofthevalley.com/blog/index.php/2009/06/blue-fly-guide-service-alaskan-adventures/

Enjoy – and if you’re up for it – get in touch w/ Patty and plan yourself a fly fishing adventure!

-- Eric M. Saperstein, Master Craftsman www.artisansofthevalley.com


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TopamaxSurvivor

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#1 posted 08-29-2009 09:13 AM

“Artist – One, such as a painter, sculptor, or writer, who is able by virtue of imagination and talent or skill to create works of aesthetic value.” Having done both, I don’t believe a fisherman, hunter or guide is an artist. To be good at it you need knowledge combined with keen observation. It is not the same as creating from your imigination. Some who hold accomplished fishers or hunters in awe may consider it an art. Casting a fly line is about as close to an art form as a fisher will ever get, but it simply accumulated practice that manifests itself as a graceful talent. I don’t consider following someone else’s patterns or plans an art. When I create my own designs following through the finsih, then I am an artist.

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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hObOmOnk

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#2 posted 08-29-2009 07:08 PM

Likewise, sewer workers must be artists, because they draw flys. :)

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#3 posted 08-30-2009 07:03 PM

well , a topic right up my alley….eric, i lived in alaska for 15 years…and just as im crazy for woodworking, so was i for fishing…...every type…salmon, halibut….red snapper…...black bass…..i had my own boat and went out every weekend…..as you know summers there are wonderful…summer days are very long with enough light to see and fish 24-7 if you wish…....if you have any questions about alaska send me a personal message or even if you would like to talk to me you can call me..and i would give you my phone number via a personal message…..i love alaska and miss it terribly…but life does not always give us what we want…but i was truely blessed to have lived there that long and lived the alaska dream…..i love your wood work…the chess table project looked like some real fun….i enjoyed the whole story…....grizzman

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#4 posted 08-30-2009 07:12 PM

i think the word artist takes on many mediums….and certainly the craft of guideing one to a sucsessful day of fishing is truely useing there talents to make that happen…...i certainly say yes…..and you want one that is on top of there game..your experiance of being guided for fish or game is dependant upon there skill and acomplishing what a client wants is an art form…...

-- GRIZZMAN ...[''''']

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TopamaxSurvivor

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#5 posted 08-31-2009 06:11 AM

You have to agree on a definition to have a discussion, unless the discussion is about the definitiohn :-))

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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Eric M. Saperstein

766 posts in 1995 days


#6 posted 08-31-2009 06:35 AM

Greetings,

I’m hitting the wall on energy and cognitive creative thought for today … scanning through the responses but thinking I have to ponder a bit to generate my next detailed response … but a few quick points before a nap is at least attempted.

I find the Wikipedia entry quite interesting – that summarizes my general position on the definition of an artist.

I think this is a debate as much about the definition of an artist as it is the actual question regarding a fishing guide.

There is a definition where “Craft or create” something … is required … painter, woodworker, blacksmith ?

Then there is a definition where the form of expression or acts are included … Medial arts is not an uncommon term. What about Martial Arts … ???

Gotta formulate something good here … which means I’ll report back when I’m awake!

Well maybe a few random other updates on other topics – but this one requires some extra thought …

Nite all!

-- Eric M. Saperstein, Master Craftsman www.artisansofthevalley.com

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Eric M. Saperstein

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#7 posted 09-17-2009 01:43 AM

Greetings,

I apologize I’ve been offline from this for a while – I’m enjoying this discussion but I will have return to these thoughts as soon as possible. Dealing with some things at the moment that have to run their own course before I can develop a proper comment.

Thanks!

-- Eric M. Saperstein, Master Craftsman www.artisansofthevalley.com

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Eric M. Saperstein

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#8 posted 01-12-2010 05:28 AM

Greetings,

Quick update Patty’s video link is now available! Give this some time to load it’s a MP4 and it’s a big file!

http://www.artisansofthevalley.com/docs/BlueFly_iPod_Sm.mp4

-- Eric M. Saperstein, Master Craftsman www.artisansofthevalley.com

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