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Forum topic by Eric_S posted 08-26-2009 08:45 PM 1458 views 0 times favorited 21 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Eric_S

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08-26-2009 08:45 PM

Hey Everyone,

I’m new to woodworking and am tired of buying s4s ($$$) wood from lowes/homedepot…yuck! I want to joint/plane my own wood but I’m afraid that 1) I dont have enough room in my garage to fit a jointer and planer (or money for that matter) and 2) I would drive my neighbors nuts with the noise even if I did it during reasonable hours. I live in a subdivision and working out of my garage. My garage walls are insulated and 1/4” Pegboard covers the studs, but my attic above garage is not insulated currently and I have wooden garage doors. I’m thinking that batt insulation above garage and garage door insulation might help keep noise down. Anyways, Im afraid the noise would be too much for my neighbors. So my other option is planing/jointing by hand which I’m sure is a very laborous and time-consuming task. Also, is it really that much cheaper to get rough cut vs. s4s?

So, how many of you have had noise complaints from neighbors when doing jointing/planing and how have you guys insulated your workshop if its a garage or loud to the outside world?

Finally, anyone from the Indianapolis, IN area know where I can get rough hardwood lumber?

-Eric Seidel

-- - Eric Noblesville, IN


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#1 posted 08-26-2009 08:56 PM

i have been working out of my garage for atleast three years now and the only complaint i get from the neighbors is why i haven’t made them anything yet. go for it, it’s your house , as long as its not to late or to early they cann’t say anything.

-- Roper - Master of sawdust- www.roperwoodturning.com

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#2 posted 08-26-2009 08:58 PM

I have no complaints from the neighbors, but then again – they have a harley, so usually they can’t hear me anyways when their motor is on.

I did buy my planer (dewalt 735) from a guy that ended up not being able to use it because of neighbors complaints about the noise it makes – the planer is by FAR the noisiest machine (at least the lunchbox/smaller planers)

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#3 posted 08-26-2009 09:01 PM

As for planing by hand – it’s quieter, and more enjoyable than pushing wood into a machine. however, if I need to mill many pieces at once – I’ll go with the power tools.

I use hand planes if I only have 1-2 pieces to mill, or if the pieces are too small for the power machines, or for finishing (I always smooth parts after they come out of the planer/jointer as it produces a smoother surface for gluing)

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#4 posted 08-26-2009 09:07 PM

So it seem like there is no way around planing with a machine if I dont want to spend days on end surfacing rough lumber? Is it possible to get a good one for cheap…i know thats an oxymoron but thought I’d ask anyways. Would you recommend just getting a planer and joint by hand? Or just a jointer? I’d rather not piss off my neighbors if at all possible. I did read somewhere about a guy who’s neighbor complained, so he made them a nice piece of furniture and they haven’t complained since and actually will come over to see what he’s working on…but seeing that I still have a lot of furniture to make for my wife (2 night stands, coffee table, a few picture frames) I’m not sure i’d have time to make neighbors anything.

Anyone do any special insulating in workshop to drown out noise from neighbors?

-- - Eric Noblesville, IN

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#5 posted 08-26-2009 09:12 PM

I dont care if I annoy a few of my neighbors since one mows their yard at 7am on saturdays and another washes his cars with the car stereo blasting (with lots of bass). Personally I’d rather have a high pitch whining noise than deep bass that travels much further and I can feel inside or outside the house and my dog goes nuts over.

The only neighbors I care if I annoy is my next door neighbor who is a police officer who works late nights and sleeps during the day and to make matters worse their master bedroom is 10 feet from my garage, and another neighbor who is always outside gardening and is a very nice old lady. Gardening is supposed to be peaceful and quiet so I doubt she enjoys the loud noise. I work with the garage door closed when using power tools to help minimize the noise and hopefully once I insulate the attic and garage door it will be even quieter outside but I doubt it.

-- - Eric Noblesville, IN

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#6 posted 08-26-2009 09:17 PM

talk to them… see what they think. communication seems like a better solution than a guessing game.

a planer WILL be noisy. but it’s the fast way to get parallel lumber for use in construction. I’ll be honest – I’m ok with jointing a board manually, but I don’t care much for thicknessing with hand planes, especially when they are numerous.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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Eric_S

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#7 posted 08-26-2009 09:20 PM

Next time I see my next-door neighbor outside I was planning on letting him know about my new hobby and to see if I’m making too much noise and to let me know

-- - Eric Noblesville, IN

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#8 posted 08-26-2009 09:22 PM

There should be a ton of guilds and such in your area –
Talk to them and see if someone has the planer you like (or close)
I have the Dewaly 735 – it does a great job but is really loud.

My suggestion is to get one for an hour or so and put it in your garage and turn it on, then go outside and have a listen.
I found that the high pitch whine doesn’t seem to penetrate the walls as much as you might expect. In fact from the attached garage it doesn’t bother the family watching TV in the house either. Perhaps you do this test along with your nearest neighbor and see what they think.

Just my $0.02

Dave

-- 'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' ~George Carlin

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Eric_S

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#9 posted 08-26-2009 09:27 PM

Thats sounds like a good idea dave. My wife says she can hardly hear me routing in garage which is surprising, so maybe it is ok outside. I need to have her or neighbor stand outside while I have garage door down.

Next dillema for my new hobby…. I have a Mustang and wife has a Grand Am so neither is suitable for transporting wood around (5ft max). Last time I bought a lot I had to rent a truck from U-Haul. I’m thinking of buying a cheap truck for larger hauls so I dont face this dillema everytime I want to buy wood. I dont want to get rid of the stang :(

I found a workshop at an Art School that does Adult Night classes that charges $20 for 3 hour sessions but is free if you are a member. Anyone from Indianapolis know of a guild?

-- - Eric Noblesville, IN

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#10 posted 08-26-2009 09:44 PM

I current do my work on an apartment balcony. No complaints from the neighbours. I think its about respect. I have the right to make noise during the day, but at the same time, I am aware of them and will hold off on firing up a power tool if I know they are relaxing on their balcony.

Hand tools are great for this kind of scenario and a great way to refine my skills.

I would say talk to your neighbour, in all honesty you can make noise during the day without a problem, but if you talk to him first I’m sure you could figure out a compromise. Better that than piss him off and have him handing out tickets everytime you back out of the driveway!

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Eric_S

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#11 posted 08-26-2009 09:48 PM

Wow! You woodwork in an apartment? Now thats impressive. I’m surprised you’re allowed to.

-- - Eric Noblesville, IN

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#12 posted 08-26-2009 10:10 PM

For wood – put a class III hitch on the grand am and get a 4×8 trailer like you see hauling riding mowers and golf carts around. It is light enough that you can tip it on its side for storage.

These are not good if you need to hit the interstate though with 12 inch tires
Friends here use one for transporting his motorcycle when visiting family out of state that he got from Lowes.

I have an old 88 F150 that I have had since new, which I ALMOST traded with the cash for clunkers program but couldn’t pull the trigger. Too much sentimental attachment to watch it be crushed….and then have a new car payment on top of that sealed the deal.

-- 'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' ~George Carlin

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dhg

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#13 posted 08-26-2009 10:51 PM

Yep the planners are noisy, but also, your not going to be running it every day all day long. maybe an hour here and there. in your garage with the door open, it really shouldn’t be much noisier that a loud lawn mower for your neighbors.

-- Talent on Loan from God - Rush Limbaugh ----------www.genesiswoodworks.com----------

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#14 posted 08-26-2009 10:52 PM

i live in a fairly dense neighborhood and havent had any complaints about my loud ryobi planer (yes, you can get them “cheap” – check craigslist for used ones!). then again, i also have people using gas powered lawn tools at 7-8am on weekends, so….

another thing is, and this is truly objective, i much prefer the sound of creation-based tools to destruction based tools. ie, the whine of someone milling lumber for their deck vs the rumble of stupid lawn mowers. :-)

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#15 posted 08-26-2009 11:25 PM

First, it is commendable that you care about your neighbors. We have a few on our block that perpetrate all sorts of impositions on the neighborhood…(noisy cars…loud music..barking/loose dogs..smoking engines…). Luckily, in this area…homes are on 3 acre minimum lots…and the noise is not as distracting as it would be in the postage stamp lots in most subdivisions. With that said…the best advice so far is to communicate with your neighbors…ask for their insights/suggestions as to how to not impose on or disturb them….This way you can all enjoy your properties. There will always be the few that won’t help or participate…those you will have to write off and just insure that you are responsible and make sure you start at a reasonalble hour and stop at a reasonable hour…with that done then you have gone as far as you can at that level. The other option would be putting up some noise dampening – you could install accoustic tiles or coatings on the wall (some can be expensive though)...or build an accoustic box over the planer (another expensive option)...frankly…I would try to work it out with my neighbors….

-- Woodworking.....My small slice of heaven!

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