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Forum topic by DBordello posted 05-15-2015 08:41 PM 1132 views 0 times favorited 14 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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DBordello

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05-15-2015 08:41 PM

When I bought my SawStop PCS, the (uniformed) Woodcraft employee advised me that I needed a zero clearance insert to go with my saw. I soon discovered that it came with one, so I haven’t used it yet.

However, I am looking at picking up a dado stack. However, I see SawStop offers two version of their inserts:

https://sawstop.3dcartstores.com/Inserts_c_101.html

Does anybody know the difference? Can I use the standard insert with a stack?


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thedude50

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#1 posted 05-15-2015 08:55 PM

I know that saw stop sells one for each purpose and they are not interchangeable I suggest you call saw stop and get this straight from tech support they are awesome there and have helped me with my issues fast and freindly

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#2 posted 05-15-2015 08:57 PM

You could use the standard one (I suppose) with a dado stack but it’s slotted for the riving knife/blade guard support. The one for dadoes doesn’t have that riving knife through cut at the back. The factory relief cuts on the bottom of the 2 inserts appear to be identical except for the area around that slot I mentioned.

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DBordello

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#3 posted 05-15-2015 09:04 PM



You could use the standard one (I suppose) with a dado stack but it s slotted for the riving knife/blade guard support. The one for dadoes doesn t have that riving knife through cut at the back. The factory relief cuts on the bottom of the 2 inserts appear to be identical except for the area around that slot I mentioned.

- Fred Hargis

Great point.

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#4 posted 05-15-2015 10:25 PM

I wouldn’t use the standard insert for dados. For one thing you’ve basically destroy the zero clearanceness of the standard insert.

Secondly, there is (I think) a bit of metal on the back of the standard insert. You don’t want the dado blade to contact metal or it’ll trip the brake.

The dado insert is basically just one solid piece of whatever the standard insert is made of (some kind of melamine I think).

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#5 posted 05-15-2015 10:25 PM

I guess I better take a peak at it when I get home today.

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copcarcollector

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#6 posted 05-16-2015 12:23 AM

I just picked up my saw and accessories today! The standard insert is cut for the riving knife, otherwise on the bottom they both look the same to me.

(Dado on the left, standard on the right)

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#7 posted 05-16-2015 04:19 AM

What’s the black stuff on the back of the standard insert? I know that’s where the anti-kickback pawls hang out. Is that metal or just more phenolic painted black?

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#8 posted 05-16-2015 08:35 AM

I poked around the back of my standard insert and I’m pretty sure there is some thin piece of metal where the anti-kickback pawls rest. If your dado blade didn’t come in contact with that (and with an 8 inch dado blade it may very well not) you could probably chop through the standard insert with a dado blade.

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Fred Hargis

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#9 posted 05-16-2015 11:08 AM

That black section appears to be the “landing pad” for the paws, and it is some kind of metal….it will attract a magnet. But it’s so far out of the reach of a dado blade it’s wouldn’t be a problem. I’m not advocating such use, but it really isn’t going to hurt anything.

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#10 posted 05-16-2015 11:51 AM

Use TSI-DLD for your dado stack. It doesn’t have accommodation for the riving knife, which you won’t be using with the dado stack anyway. The TSI-SLD is for a regular blade and accepts the riving knife. Copcarcollector’s pics are excellent.

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#11 posted 05-17-2015 12:05 AM

Simple call to SawStop’s Tech Support would remove all worries. It’s hard to believe the anti-kickback pawl landing pads would be metal or that SawStop would embed any kind of metal that would not be readily visible in any of their inserts. I’d wait until Monday and make a call. Actually what I’d do is save the extra zero clearance insert and order the dado insert. I didn’t get one myself because I intend to keep my old saw setup for dado work.

-- Gerald, Rural North Central Arkansas

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DBordello

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#12 posted 05-18-2015 11:10 PM

copcarcollector, thank you for the excellent reply.

The general concensus seems to be that the standard insert has landing pads for the anti-kickpack paws, and a slot for the riving knife.

Based on all this, I decided to not cut corners and grab the Dado insert. Thanks for the insight everybody!

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#13 posted 05-21-2015 12:31 PM

Never hesitate to call saw stop their service is great

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#14 posted 05-21-2015 02:12 PM

Consider the Colli-Beck (Infinity) throat plate instead (of either).

It has easily replaceable inserts, both with and without the riving knife opening.

The problem with the SS inserts is that they are only zero clearance for the blade or dado setting you cut them with, and they are too expensive to have one for every blade/dado width you use.

You can make your own inserts for the C-B throat plate, or purchase them pretty inexpensively.

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