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Forum topic by mmh posted 97 days ago 425 views 0 times favorited 5 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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mmh

1385 posts in 618 days


97 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: caution large sales order fake sales order fraudulent sales sales fraud order fraud e-mail fraud scam custom cane alert

I thought I’d share a recent inquiry I had for a large order of my custom made canes. I had an e-mail from a fellow posing as “K. B——” and the origin of the e-mail looked to be that of a store’s website. The inquiry was for 300 pcs. of a custom designed cane. After a couple of e-mails trying to determine what they were looking for, they asked me what the price would be and what method of payment was accepted.

Being that I do one-of-a-kind custom work, this really wasn’t something I wanted to get into, but it was also intruiging. I had typed up a draft of a reply but decided to inquire first, the Company Name, President/Owner, Address, Phone, E-mail, etc. . The inquirer never responded. I looked up the company website and found a phone number and contacted them. The person I spoke to was one of the managers who had been employed there for several years and confirmed that he did not know of such an employee and actually that this person had purchased a small item from them “more than several years ago”.

He informed me that they have had some inquires for very large orders, especially from overseas. When they tell them they ONLY take Cashier’s Checks for payment, the inquirer is never heard from again. Apparently, if you accept a credit card or other method of payment that can be disputed, the funds can be reclaimed in a dispute and you will be out of your merchandise AND payment. (A “He said, She said” type of situation.) So, a one way venue of payment is the only way to go on large orders.

A Red Flag on the e-mail was also obvious when the spelling, diction and/or punctiation, was very poor and childish. It was not done in a professional manner at all. It could be that the writer was either very young, illiterate and/or from a non English speaking/writing background. (Please keep in mind that I give people who speak English as a second language a lot of respect, as I myself do not know enough of a second language to qualify as bi-lingual.)

I have not heard from this inquirer since and it looks like my instincts paid off before I could have gotten stung by a bogus order, possibly stocking up on supplies prior to payment or stiffed for valuable merchandise sent and monies disputed on.

I have had one incidence of a client not recognizing the sale as legitimate and disputed this with the credit card company. After realizing it was legit, they had already stopped payment and I had to submit several forms and proofs of sale for funds to be released. This took over 9 months of correspondence for me to get my money. Meanwhile the credit card had it and gave no interest on the funds they had use of during that time.

I hope this helps alert any of you to stay safe with your orders and sales.

-- "They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night." ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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lew

4493 posts in 651 days


97 days ago

Thanks, Meilie. The internet sure has provided additional methods for the unscrupulous to take the honest person’s money.

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Allison

652 posts in 695 days


97 days ago

I am very glad you picked up on this and is sharing it here with others.Thank you. You could have been writing a much worse case scenario letter to us all. I am glad your gut feeling (and follow through) kept you from having to do just that!
PEACE!!!
In the shop, one should always think of safety first! On the internet one should think the same way!
Safety from scams, safety about our children, etc.
Thanks for sharing

-- Allison, Northeastern Ca. Remember, Amateurs built the Ark. Professionals built the Titanic!

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reggiek

712 posts in 166 days


97 days ago

Thanks MMH, for that very informative post….

you should always investigate anything that has a flavor of suspicion about it….and as a small business you should check any orders from new customers over a certain dollar amount (based on the product…its cost and what would be a “reasonable” purchase).....Some companies do credit checks on orders over a certain amount…which is perfectly acceptable.

I also check on every vendor on www.complaintsboard.com and then with the better business bureau for their location…You could also inquire with the attorney’s general office or comsumer complaints division. I do this for any purchase over $500.00.

You should also do a NSLookup on their ip address….sometimes they forget to spoof it…This address may give you a company name or other source to investigate…and if you see it originates in Nigeria do not respond…unfortunately, Nigeria is the fraud capital of the internet…I would never do business with any individual or company from there as there is over a 99% fraud rate.

It’s a sad reflection on our society that folks spend more time making up these schemes to defraud rather then using their talents for some worthy endeavor.

...

-- Woodworking.....My small slice of heaven!

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a1Jim

16911 posts in 473 days


97 days ago

Thanks for the heads up.

-- Jim from Heirloom Woodshop Southern Oregon

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WhittleMeThis

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82 days ago

Good advice.

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