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05-12-2015 06:39 PM

As some of you have already heard, our planet has past the point of no return in carbon emissions. 400 ppm (parts per million).
What this means is that carbon, a greenhouse gas, is going to be holding in enough energy to raise the average temperature to a point that will precipitate other greenhouse gases like methane to release, (which is already happening on a grand scale). Methane is much worse than carbon. We could have stopped the carbon, but there’s no stopping methane.
As coastlines are threatened, people will be relocating inland. Farming will at first become erratic with unseasonably cold and hot and dry. Storms will increase in number and strength. With mass migrations and global food shortage, no government will be able to help. Many will die, too many to bury. Disease and pestilence will follow.

If the oceans warm another couple degrees, the algae will die, then the plankton, then the small fish, then the large fish. That’s one third of the world food supply right there.

You might not see it for a while, but you will definitely see it in the near future. Maybe not as I’ve laid it out above, but it will not be business as usual for us. If we survive.

Not very pleasant, but sometimes truth isn’t. You want to give your kids an advantage. teach them survival in the wild, it’ll be very valuable to them.

I know a lot of you don’t believe that there is any problem with the climate, and that’s fine, there isn’t anything you could do about it if you believed it anyway. Not trying to start an argument, just wanted to let you all know that your lives are about to change dramatically and I wouldn’t expect you’ll hear much truth from the media about this.

-- A positive attitude will take you much further than positive thinking ever will.

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#1 posted 05-12-2015 06:56 PM

Good assessments here what the 400ppm milestone means in context of our environment.

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#2 posted 05-12-2015 07:08 PM

As one said long ago, “there is a season for everything”. I interpret it as there are cycles in the universe. “This too shall pass” as said another.


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#3 posted 05-12-2015 07:23 PM

Forgot to mention. It is always a good idea to know and practice survival skills. A lot of people watch it on the Tubes but never practice it.


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#4 posted 05-12-2015 07:56 PM

Dang Russell. Hope that your business is going better for you than the worldly condition.
For me and mine, I’ve got more to try to correct than that issue. Given the fact that I’m 72 this year, I guess that I’ll leave those issues to those who might be able to correct them.
Not bein’ snarky.
Maybe try to get the Chinese to clean up their part of the world? Quit buyin’ stuff from them? India? That’s another story.


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#5 posted 05-12-2015 09:52 PM

If you ever saw the carbon emission tax legislation Congress worked on but never passed maybe would have different opinion. If those global warming scientist estimations on sea level rising forecast had not been pooh-poohed by others maybe would have different opinion. That’s right they lied and thank god no one died! Now we talking climate change!

If knew that Europe had to pass laws restricting wind farms because hazard to animal and humans in the area. Yes, Europe went gang busters for wind energy but did not decrease the new coal fired plants that came on-line during that same period. Most of the wind energy companies coming and setting up here European owned.
This administration will never talked about a government solar farm project deem to expensive operate & maintain was abandoned. That happened several years before Obama took office. On his watch several solar energy companies went bankrupt even with government grants while heads of those companies walked off with severance packages employees got nothing. Tax payer footed the bill.

This administration advocates passenger rail service to reduce carbon emissions. Passenger rail service cannot exist without subsidies! Railroad companies tried getting president Obama interested in promoting more cargo freight ignored. Industry would foot the bill and reduce number of long haul semi trucks on our highways! Would still need those trucks but their routes would be shorter and number on the highways would be reduced.

I could go on, but government & politics is in the way of solving the problem! No, not against innovation or developing alternate energy sources. Government has to get out of the way!

-- Bill

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#6 posted 05-13-2015 03:33 PM

The evidence can be found in just about every corner of the world in just about every science discipline so no arguments here.

Just glad I lived in the time period I did. It has been a wonderful life. I try not to feel guilty because the legacy we have left behind will certainly lead to the end of civilization as we know it.

Not sure I want to live through Mad Max anyway.

I am moving to the country, getting my own well, going solar as best I can, start a little farm of my own, and hope that I can get far enough off the grid to live out the rest of my days in peace.

P.S. The first major catastrophe here in the US is when Lake Mead no longer can generate power or provide water for California, Nevada, and Colorado. I never thought in my lifetime I would see the Colorado River dry up.

FEMA and Homeland Security are the wolves in sheep clothes!

-- Brad, Texas,

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#7 posted 05-13-2015 04:16 PM

In 2010 Al Gore bought an 8 million dollar beach front mansion. I guess he going to sit there and watch the water come in.

All we half to do is pay Al some carbon taxes and everything with be fine. After all he need lots of money to keep his jets fueled.

This doesn’t sound like a man who believes in what he’s peddling.

I kind of wish ranting rich was here for this one.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#8 posted 05-13-2015 04:26 PM

When’s Al Gore going to make another cartoon?

Watch you wallets.

“If the oceans warm”


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#9 posted 05-13-2015 04:43 PM

God will cool the planet and make all well again. Have faith ye of no faith. God always solves our problems for us. If he doesn’t then we must have done something to piss him off and we deserve the results of our behavior.

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#10 posted 05-13-2015 05:36 PM

If you dig deeper – you find that the receding glaciers are Uncovering viking settlements and birch forests in the Alps from 4000 years ago.
So Earth has been a lot warmer.
In Kansas you can find sea fossils, as the middle of the US was under sea water before.

China and teh developing world are INCREASING emission far faster than the US can back off. You do know that the US is not the major CO2 producer right…. those “Exempt” nations are.

I am not saying ‘screw it’ nothing matters, lets continue trashing the planet….but the Scientists that make their living from waving the red flag…. have become politicians, that shout down any opposing voices.
No Real Scientist ever would say “The Debate is Over, the Science is Settled”

Especially when you find the data being faked…FALLING temperatures in South America temp stations are being “adjusted – to show a rise in temperature”.

But the Off Earth marker – - from that Right wing publication National GEographic begs a better question… lest we think there are significant “emmissions” from our Mars Rover…. If it is all about Human Impact…. why have the Mars Ice Caps gone away?

-- 'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' ~George Carlin

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#11 posted 05-14-2015 11:01 AM

Been awhile since read parts of these bills in PDF format which made it easier to scan through various sections. Trying to read either one of these documents is a very arduous task!

Americans so very lucky neither HR2454 nor S1733 became law. I am all for saving the planet but no one has a clear and reasonable path to follow that is affordable. Neither solar nor wind new technology and 100% reliable. Lack of qualified technicians, spare parts, and component capability add to the problems.

Solyndra a solar panel company ended up costing taxpayers $535 million!

Back in 2009, unemployed man went to Government energy repair/service school for 4 to 6 weeks in Florida. Learned about various hand tools, never saw any testing equipment or actual equipment they would work on now or later.

Housing experts recommend staying on the grid with local electric companies whenever possible! In some parts of the country can get solar panels installed on your home free but pay monthly rental fee plus electric bill.

Today if build a home off the grid using solar or wind or combination of the two will cost an additional $20,000 to $50,000. Back-up battery system creates additional hazards and in some places not permitted. If add a diesel or propane back-up generator cost still higher! Replacing components over time due to capability issues make budget planning tough.

Bottom line SNAFU!

-- Bill

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#12 posted 05-14-2015 11:48 AM

I’ll get more serious about global warming when the 2.5 + billion people in India and China quit bringing online a new coal fired power plant every week, figure out how to stop polluting their water, and finally put in double sewer systems, instead of dumping all their waste into their water.
When I lived in China, it was considered a clear day when that evening, you could see a star or two.

When we brought over some of their employees to study our manufacturing, they were asked at a dinner what they liked the best about the USA.
Their answer? “How clear the air was…”

Finally, just too many of the global warming scientists have been shown that if they did not read that line, they lost their grants from the feds. That was enough for me.

-- Paul, Tennessee,

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#13 posted 05-14-2015 05:24 PM

I was on a ship one time to visit Antartica. It was full of scientists, from all over the world but mostly Europe, they were all bound there on a one way ticket to stay and do research…..we sat at dinner with some guys from Denmark or Sweden, I can’t remember which….they unanimosly said when the grant funding in America dries up for research, the problem will go away.

Undoubtedly there is some sort of climate change going on…..and being a stauch Republican, even I wouldn’t blame a political party for the weather!!!! And by the way, they claimed about two years ago that there was more ice in Antartica than ever…....

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#14 posted 05-14-2015 05:45 PM

Hey Mike, did you happen to be aboard the R/V “Hero” on the trip to Antarctica?

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#15 posted 05-14-2015 06:53 PM

Hey Mike, did you happen to be aboard the R/V “Hero” on the trip to Antarctica?

- Dallas

Just for grins I did a search.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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