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Topic tags/keywords: computers imac dick I’m in the process of buying a new desk top computer. I’ve been looking at the ”24 iMac., I’ve never had any kind of experience whatsoever with Mac’s. I would like some feed back from you Guru Jocks. -- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1 |
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Dick, I’m a PC guy, but my son is a Mac user, so I’ve had a lttle experience. Macs are great, if you’re an old dog who doesn’t mind learning new tricks. Personally, while I think the Macs are very cool, and they do have the advantage of being less susceptible to viruses, I have never seen enough of an upside to make the switch and have to adjust to the differences. -- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood" |
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Thanks Charlie, I’m an old dog alright. We’ll wait , & see what some the young dogs have to say. LOL -- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1 |
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I’m a Linux (in the Ubuntu flavor) user through and through. It has a few quirks, but I think it’s the most power and performance of any of the reasonable end user operating systems, and Ubuntu is easy enough to install and run that almost any user can deal with it. However, I’ve used a Mac as my primary work machine for two and a half years, and I recommend it wholeheartedly to people who don’t want to run Linux. It beats the pants off Windows, has the underlying power that lets developers do great applications, and has the Apple support structure which makes it easy for the basic users. So, yeah, get a Mac. As someone who also just bought a laptop that runs Windows Vista, do not get a Windows Vista machine. -- Dan Lyke, Petaluma California, http://www.flutterby.net/User:DanLyke |
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I’m with Charlie, I’m dumb enough with these PC’s without trying to learn another system. But I have faith that if anyone could do it, You’re the one, Dick. -- Thos. Angle, Owyhee Design, Oregon |
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Dick I don’t know much about Mac – like Charlie, I would hate to start learning a new OS at this stage in my life. I do know, from what friends have told me, that I would rather take a cold shower with battery acid than switch to Windows Vista right now. Maybe in a year, just before they come out with another system, they will have all of the bugs worked out of Vista. Just my humble (not expert by any means) opinion. -- Bill - "Suit yourself and let the rest be pleased." http://www.cajunpen.com/ |
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Dick, I’ve been a Mac user all of my life. I wish that I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard “why didn’t I do this sooner” from every friend, family member and business associate that converted from PC to Mac. It’s not so much a matter of understanding a new OS as much as it is “can you point and click?”. It really is that easy, especially on the latest iMacs. -- Better to say nothing and be thought the fool... then to speak and erase all doubt. |
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Mac are more expensive, if you like games mac takes much longer for the software to be ported over to it. If you need help not as many people know how to fix them if you break something. I have friends (IBMers, the real thing :) that swear by a mac. They gave up their IMP PCs as a primary device for a mac but they do a log of music editing. It really comes down to a few things, -- "so much to learn and so little time".. |
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Dick, whether you are an old dog or a new dog, you have to be the one of the best “new trick learners” I’ve ever known!! Every time someone suggests something – or even before—you have posted some new computer trick. I love my Mac. Learning curve wasn’t that big; sometimes programs and services aren’t available for Mac’s (ex. the radio in the LJ toolbar that you can download). I still have my old laptop with some favourite programs loaded onto it and on occasion I’ll use it, if I haven’t invested in a Mac program that does the same thing. There are so many plus’ to the Mac that makes life easier, I can’t begin to list them—that and I’m so used to them now that I have forgotten “the old way”. Good luck in your decision making and I am sending all my positive vibes that you don’t get a lemon, regardless of the brand! -- "Functional WoodArt" by Debbie, Canada (http://www.execulink.com/~yohan) |
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Dick, whether you are an old dog or a new dog, you have to be the one of the best “new trick learners” I’ve ever known!! Every time someone suggests something – or even before—you have posted some new computer trick. I love my Mac. Learning curve wasn’t that big; sometimes programs and services aren’t available for Mac’s (ex. the radio in the LJ toolbar that you can download). I still have my old laptop with some favourite programs loaded onto it and on occasion I’ll use it, if I haven’t invested in a Mac program that does the same thing. There are so many plus’ to the Mac that makes life easier, I can’t begin to list them—that and I’m so used to them now that I have forgotten “the old way”. Good luck in your decision making and I am sending all my positive vibes that you don’t get a lemon, regardless of the brand! -- "Functional WoodArt" by Debbie, Canada (http://www.execulink.com/~yohan) |
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Let me expand a bit on what I said. I do think the Macs are fine machines, and I don’t think the learning curve is that drastic. I’m sure some Mac users will jump in to say you’ll be used to it in no time at all. But since you said you had NO Mac experience, I just wanted to be sure you were aware that there would be some differences to get used to. As far as Vista is concerned, I recently bought my daughter a new Vista-equpped laptop to go away to college with. No complaints at all from her or me. I do think that upgrading an older machine to Vista is probably not a smart move right now… too many issues will arise because of incompatible software already on your computer. -- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood" |
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Snowdog, I disagree that Macs are more expensive. To run a Windows machine you need to purchase and maintain all sorts of fancy anti-virus software, and when things get fouled up do re-installs, and although your up-front costs may be a little higher with a Mac, I believe that your Total Cost of Ownership is far lower than with Windows. Kinda like spending a little extra for a good chisel rather than buying the cheap one from the bargain bin that ends up being untempered, made from mild steel, and impossible to keep an edge on. -- Dan Lyke, Petaluma California, http://www.flutterby.net/User:DanLyke |
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Ho Dick For Price, compatability, maintainabilty then go with a standard PC. I thought about changing to a MAC, but I also thought about going back to useing an 8 bit processor (Z80) or just about any other computer where BILL GATES and his microsoft corporation have NOT had there Fingers and ’#’#’#’#’ed up – I am not a lover of microsoft at the moment!! but to learn a new OS is just too much. Good luck with your search -- Tony - All things are possible, just some things are more difficult than others! - SKYPE: Heron2005 (http://www.poydatjatuolit.fi) |
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I have a good background in using both Macs and Pcs for several years. I have for some time run my business software on PC platforms using first SCO Zenix then Red Hat Linux and most recently windows XP. Macs come ready to use with all necessary software to get you up and running within minutes. Bob -- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner |
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Cost. .. I paid about the same for both my laptops (MAC and PC)... perhaps a little more for the MAC but there was several years in-between the two purchases). But, with the Mac, came the iLife set—iPhoto, iTunes, iMovie, iChat, iDvd, the Mac version of Office components, and Safari, and the mail program… I just remembered what the hardest part of learning the Mac was—the “close” / “hide” button are located on the left side of the windows instead of the right.. boy was that frustrating to get used to!! -- "Functional WoodArt" by Debbie, Canada (http://www.execulink.com/~yohan) |
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Dick, watch out for VISTA!! Just think, all of your old design programs have to be updated; if you have a CAD program it will have to be updated; if you downloaded an XP program, it may no longer work; Office 2003 won’t work—and it is a Miicrosoft program!—I feel it was worth the $90 restocking fee to save all my old programs! Look for a new puter that still runs XP, or find a used/refurbished one that does. At least until Vista gets all the kinks out and you can afford to update almost all your programs. Come to think of it, maybe Linux or a Mac would be better…. jump off the big blue/microsoft machine! God Bless, -- Saving barnwood from the scrapyards |
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I feel much safer on my Mac because it is harder to get bugs. I would never want a PC except there is one piece of software I’d like to have that can’t be used on the Mac. I’d like to get one of the newer Macs, if I even can afford to, because it runs windows as well. I would never buy a Windows PC there is just too many headaches to deal with. Diane |
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I use Windows XP, 2003 Server, Linux (ubuntu), and a Mac. I think the Mac is idiot proof. The Mac is elegant. The operating system is unix based anyway so I’m familiar with it’s infrastructure. If I had to buy a computer for my mother, it would be a Mac. If I had to buy a computer for myself, I’d be building one and using Linux. They have their pros and cons. I hate to say it, but I have a 17” Imac on my desk that runs windows XP. Anything you can do on a PC, with parallels desktop, you can do on a Mac. So, though I’m not a total convert, I have no aversion to Mac’s in my office or home. My home theatre PC, however, is a PC running windows XP as the things I need to do with it for video processing are more familiar to me with a PC. I’m not sure I’m helping this discussion much, but, Dick…I HATE VISTA! If you can’t get a Windows XP Pro equipped computer, get a Mac. Cheers! -- You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation. (Plato) |
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I have PCs for work and My wife has Mac’s for work. If I ever get around to buying a computer for myself it will be a Mac no question. The Mac is WAY more intuitive and comes with software to copy over all your documents. Remember Microsoft just stole the OS from Apple and MS remains one step behind. The price is pretty even in price when comparing equal machines from a reputable companies. Fortunately (or unfortunately) Apple doesn’t make anything that dredges the bottom of the computer market. Remember you have to take everything into account (drive capacity, memory wireless etc…) Get the MAC! -- Che. |
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My two cents can be summed up in my brothers blog here. -- Bob, Carver Massachusetts, Sawdust Maker http://www.capecodbaychallenge.org |
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Dick - I will add my 2¢ to the fray. I use my MAC for everything including profeesional stuff at work and personal stuff such as woodworking (including maintaining my website / podcast). I have been a MAC user my entire computer using life and feel very comfortable with the MAC system. I have had to use PC / Windows systems at work in the fire department, Navy and the hospital. While my preference is a MAC, I think ultimately they are just machines or tools. Use whatever will get the job you want done as easily and smoothly as possible. Too many folks seem to identify themselves by what system they use and it can be a very controversial topic of discussion – which is always fun in its own right. Bottom line pick this like you would any other tool! |
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I work for a Major computer vendor and will remain neutral in the discussion other than to say that both solutions are usable and there are cost effective options available for each. Get your hands on a Mac and play with one. Same goes for a Vista based computer. That way your able to make an informed decision. Both will have some learning curve. Linux is great from a power user perspective. -- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov |
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I think the bottom line is , both will work well for you. Don’t waste anymore time go get one or the other :) -- "so much to learn and so little time".. |
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I thank everyone for your input on this thread. This should help others as well as myself. It’s always helpful to hear all of the PROS & CONS. I have one question about the Mac. I do quite a bit of image editing, does the Mac OS come with a good editing program, or do I need special software? -- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1 |
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I run windows on my mac powerbook pro through Parallels. I have also had to have both OSs for the past 10 years due to work… Now I literally have a bunch of Mac Minis that all they do is run windows full time here at the office. Personally I love being able to run iMovie and PC apps side by side. Drew -- Drew, Pleasant Grove, Utah |
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Thanks Drew, -- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1 |
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nope… on the pc side you still need to have virus protection software… However… Parallels allows you to create a snapshot of your perfectly working PC environment and you could make one every week or so and if you have a problem just erase the messed up one and restart that way. Drew -- Drew, Pleasant Grove, Utah |
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Oh… and for image editing… you can do some with iPhoto but it is really just retouching… I would suggest getting Photoshop… Probably the limited version would be fine or on ebay you can get a version like 3 back for next to nothing (like a hundred bucks…) now… there area some very good free image editing programs for the mac as well… Just do a little google searching… Drew -- Drew, Pleasant Grove, Utah |
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I think that MACs are more intuitive and easier to work on. I use both a MAC and a PC and own both as laptops. -- life can always be weaved into a song. |
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iPhoto.. it also has “compare” feature which is great to put 2 pix side by side for selection purposes. then of course, you can make slide shows, books, calendars etc… with not much more than a click of a button. -- "Functional WoodArt" by Debbie, Canada (http://www.execulink.com/~yohan) |
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Thanks Debbie!! -- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1 |
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Dick, I’m a fairly technical kinda guy. I use Linux and Mac at home, and Linux and PC’s at work. First of all, it’s a myth that Macs cost more than PC’s when you compare apples to apples. e.g., if you configure a Dell laptop to the same specs as a Mac laptop, it will cost the same or more. Add in all the free software you get with the Mac (iLife ‘08), and the Mac’s a much better deal, IMO. (And it actually useful software: iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, etc.) Plus, according to Consumer Reports, Macs are more reliable. Secondly, Mac OS is inherently more secure due to it’s Unix heritage. (Windoze was never meant to be a networked OS.) Thirdly, there is nothing to learning Mac OS. It is very intuitive and friendly, and there are tons of helpful resources online. The new iMacs are gorgeous. I can’t wait to get one. Go with the Mac – you won’t regret it. -- Joe Nestlerode, Townsend, DE :: http://www.nestlerode.org |
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Sometimes just keeping it as simple as possible is the best way. I have a Dell PC that’s like 5 years old. I’ve used Norton Anti-virus and AdAwareSe and Spybot and Windows Care and Windows Defender and HiJackThis and….Gotten pretty good with huntin’ and killin’ viruses and hijackers and spyware and adware and…Sounds like going to a MAC would eliminate all that nonsense, ya know? So my next unit will be a MAC Laptop and the house will be wireless. That way I can do all that I do now but from my Lazyboy or out in the garage (LAB) or even in bed. The front porch sounds good too. Could you imagine designing your next project while sittin’ on the shore waitin’ for a fish to bite? -- Bob Vila would be so proud of you! |
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oh yes—the wireless is “hallelujah time” :) -- "Functional WoodArt" by Debbie, Canada (http://www.execulink.com/~yohan) |
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Switching to a new intel based Mac is a complete no brainer. Why wouldn’t you want a piece of hardware that can NATIVELY run both the MacOS and Windows? Two machiines for the price of one! That takes the “price” argument out of the equation. Besides, try getting a comparable spec’ed Dell and you will see that the price differential isn’t all that great and the Dell can’t run the MacOS. The beauty of the Mac is the tight integration of software and hardware. Having worked in computers for years and running all MS-DOS platforms and Windows from 95 to XP as well as Mac from the original MacPlus to current systems, I favor the Mac (as you might have guessed by now). As far as learning new things…You can boot your Mac into Windows and use the system you are comfortable with and give the mac side a try at your leisure. It won’t be too long that you will find yourself no longer booting into Windows! -- GSY from N. Idaho |
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Well, to add to the nearly unanimous opinion, I love my Mac, and I have owned both. Macs are also reputed to hold their value longer, so dollar for dollar they may seem more expensive up front (which they really aren’t) over 8-12 years, you’ll have spent 30-50% less via upgrading hardware (according to the MIS dept at the office). While it may be true that its harder to find someone to help you fix a problem with a Mac, I’ll say from experience that, while I may have needed a little advice from time to time, I never “learned the hard way” all the things I needed to with all the problems PC’s have given me over the years. and with the response you’ve recieved here, I’ll bet we can help you out, or can point you to someone who can. As for image editing, you’ll probably be fine with the “lite” version of Photoshop, or whatever they’re calling it now, or for free, there’s the shareware version – GIMP, which is quite comperable last I’ve seen it (and the price is right) though iPhoto, which comes with the Mac may be all you need. -- I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it. - Pablo Picasso -- http://snbcreative.wordpress.com/ |
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WOW !!!! This is what I ended up buying. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _* iMac 24” 2.8Ghz Intel Core 2 Extreme 2GB RAM 500GB SuperDrive Radeon HD2600 Pro Apple Computer All-in-Wonderful The all-new, all-in-one iMac packs a complete, high-performance computer into a beautifully thin design. More than ever before, iMac allows you to live a digital life. Loaded with iLife, the new iMac makes it easy to turn your photos, movies, and music into blogs, podcasts, books, and calendars. All the other essentials are built in as well, including an iSight camera, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth. Just plug it in, turn it on, and you’re ready to create something great. Now shipping with iLife ‘08. Product SpecificationsAudio Audio Output Type Speaker(s) Audio Output Type Stereo General Model iMac Chassis Form Factor All-in-one Memory RAM (installed) 2 GB Cache Memory (installed) 4 MB RAM (maximum) 4 GB RAM Technology DDR2 SDRAM Operating System OS Provided MacOS X 10.4 Optical Drive Information CD/DVD Type SuperDrive DVD±RW/CD-RW CD/DVD Read Speed 24x (CD) / 8x (DVD) CD/DVD Write Speed 24x (CD) / 8x (DVD+/-R) / 4x (DVD+/-R DL) CD/DVD Rewrite Speed 16x (CD) / 8x (DVD+RW) / 6x (DVD-RW) Processor Data Bus Speed 800 MHz
Video Memory: 256MB GDDR3 I/O: -- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1 |
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Good luck with it. Don’t waste to much time on the computer and forget about making sawdust. :) After you get it all set up post a pic, I really do love the look of a mac. -- "so much to learn and so little time".. |
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Sweet! ok, now I need a new mac ;) -- I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it. - Pablo Picasso -- http://snbcreative.wordpress.com/ |
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What’s funny about it Scott, it’s coming from New Hampshire. -- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1 |
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we’ll have to have an iChat session one day :) -- "Functional WoodArt" by Debbie, Canada (http://www.execulink.com/~yohan) |
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Oh boy, how long until it arrives? I bet Dick is checking the FedEx site every hour to see where it is. Congratulations, and let us know how it works. You might convert some more Lumberjocks to Macs. -- Bill, Turlock California, http://www.brookswoodworks.com |
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Did you ever keep tracking your order to see if it’ll be coming quicker than the first estimated delivery? -- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1 |
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maybe if you had ordered it from a different time zone it would be there by now :D haha -- "Functional WoodArt" by Debbie, Canada (http://www.execulink.com/~yohan) |
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Good luck, Dick.!!! -- Thos. Angle, Owyhee Design, Oregon |
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Yea, they never update those tracking items as fast as you want. “What do you mean it has been two hours since you received it in the warehouse, why isn’t it on its way?” hahaha -- Bill, Turlock California, http://www.brookswoodworks.com |
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Ok, so it is Thursday. Where is that computer? -- Bill, Turlock California, http://www.brookswoodworks.com |
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It’s here, but I have to transfer some stuff. It sure is nice! -- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1 |
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Pictures… LJ’s need pictures hahaa I can see the big grin from here!! :) -- "Functional WoodArt" by Debbie, Canada (http://www.execulink.com/~yohan) |
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thanks Deb, -- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1 |
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429 days ago |
the new computer is ready to go, right out of the box—what are you doing still working on the old computer?? !! -- "Functional WoodArt" by Debbie, Canada (http://www.execulink.com/~yohan) |
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428 days ago |
Better get one of those portable hard drives to store your pictures and stuff on. They hook up by USB, and have tons of disk space. And, they are not that expensive any more. Plus, it gives you back up capability in case something happens to your PC. -- Bill, Turlock California, http://www.brookswoodworks.com |
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THANKS Bill, My Son, who is my main tech support was over helping me out yesterday. He really likes the Mac system. PS. This is sent from my new imac! Debbie, pictures on the way. -- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1 |
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hey!! Cool My MacBook says hello to your iMac :) -- "Functional WoodArt" by Debbie, Canada (http://www.execulink.com/~yohan) |
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