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Joe Lyddon

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08-17-2009 06:15 AM

Topic tags/keywords: sliding compound miter saw

12” Sliding Compound Miter Saw with Laser Guide

Has anyone bought it?
Does anyone know anything about it?
Is it Junk or a tool that can do a reasonable job (light useage)?
Is it reliable and accurate?

My guess is it’s junk… but I do not know… and I don’t want to spend $150 to find out.

Thank you for your comments.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=98194&r=5592_20003

Offers a heavy duty 15 amp motor and a laser cutting guide for super-accurate cuts.
Makes miter cuts up to 45° to the left or right and bevels up to 45° to the left.
Cutting capacities: 4” x 12-3/16” at 90°; 8-1/4” x 2-1/8” at 45°
Easy-to-read miter scale
4300 RPM
12” diameter, 60 tooth C2 carbide tipped steel blade
Comes with a dust bag, machined aluminum fence, and table clamp
120 volts, 15 amps, and 60 Hz
Machined aluminum table top with cast aluminum base
Arbor size: 1”
Dual linear slide bearing

Overall dimensions: 39” L x 20-1/8” W x 26-1/8” H; Table size: 19-3/4” L x 6” W
Weight: 39 lbs.

ITEM 98194-4VGA

$159.99 (Regular)
$149.99 (Sales Price)

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"


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TopamaxSurvivor

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#1 posted 08-17-2009 08:15 AM

I don’t know, but a remodeler I ran into told me he bought everything from HF. He gets a 1 yr replacement warranty for $5 extra. Just before the end of the year warranty period, he takes it back for a new one. He said their stuff is junk, but withh the replacement warranty, he gets as many as he needs to do the jobs :-)) he said he used 3 or 4 roto hammers to do a job allfor the price of the first one. I’ve never tried this, but might be worth a shot.

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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PineInTheAsh

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#2 posted 08-17-2009 11:19 AM

I can’t dismiss HF items out of hand. Their low-cost branding is something they’ve been living with since they were born. Any discounter requires a certain amount of time and effort on you, the buyer’s part, to research, hunt, examine, and closely compare. Is it worth your time? It’s your call.

HF, just like the big box stores, are simply just another choice. One could argue that HF, HD and Lowe’s have been among the greatest friends of the woodworker in the late-20th century.

Joe, I think you answered your own question early in your post… “a reasonable job… light useage.”

Topamax, a remodeler who buys “everything from HF” is surely a contractor one never wants to call.

Not a negative or slam on the elegant gentlemen and brother LJs, simply a word that low-cost is not always worst; certainly not the entire story.

Current issue of Woodworker’s Journal examines seven recipro saws for the home woodworker. Guess which saw rated “Best Bet,” yep, you’re right, the least expensive of the seven…the $79.00 Skil.

Recently an LJ posted and eloquently told us of his need for the ocassional use of a Fein Mult-Purpose tool, though when comparing the Fein to HF’s offering, and realistically considering the amount of actual use this woodworker would get out of this tool, HF was a clear choice.

We all know it has been said HF is wonderful place to stock up on consumables …only.
And personally, when it comes to permanently fashioning wood, I would encourage HF to produce a stronger catalog.

For many of us HF is at least a strong pricepoint barometer, and with a liberal return plolicy, a good resource.

Regards,

Peter

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Craftsman on the lake

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#3 posted 08-17-2009 02:21 PM

I buy hammers and storage bins from them but any tool with moving parts I’ve ever had from them didn’t last long. And a compound sliding miter saw is set up and aligned. There’s nothing worse than a saw that you can’t align or won’t stay aligned. Almost useless. So, not only is this a HF tool with moving parts but it needs careful alignment. Two strikes against them. As a point of interest and at a much higher cost, I have a Bosch. Can’t beat it.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.

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Joe Lyddon

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#4 posted 08-17-2009 07:58 PM

Thank you all for your comments…

I got the answers I expected…

Conclusion:
It’s better to save a little extra $$$ and get a good quality tool like Bosch (which I love!).

Thanks again…

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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TopamaxSurvivor

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#5 posted 08-17-2009 08:04 PM

I sort of wondered what kind of operation he had?? :-)) All the aggrevation of tools quiting in the middle of the day, having to go get another, low productivity, ect…...... I finally went to HF to look around the other day when I was in the area. I didn’t even know they had stores here until a friend told me about a year ago. I always thought they were just a mail order junk yard :-))

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#6 posted 08-17-2009 08:07 PM

They have good bar clamps and glue brushes. I also got a heat gun there and a hand truck. Don’t know if I would trust a nice piece of 8/4 to their saw?

-- The expectations of life depend upon diligence; the mechanic that would perfect his work must first sharpen his tools. Confucius, 经过艰苦的努力的梦想可以成真

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#7 posted 08-17-2009 08:27 PM

I have a 8-1/2” mitre saw, HF quality equivalent. I won’t use it for anything fine woodwrking, but it is very lightweight compared to my dewalt 12” non-slider. I use it alot for lumber breakout or fixing things around the house, and it’s awesome at that if you’re jsut carrying it around rough cutting 2×4’s. And I don’t worry about breaking it. But then I’d be surprised too if a finish carpenter use a HF cheapo to trim a room.

-- Ed

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Joe Lyddon

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#8 posted 08-17-2009 08:45 PM

Rob, YES! Whenever they have a REAL SUPER Sale on Clamps, I add a few to my inventory!
I find them very useful and GOOD!

I also have a Brad Nailer, $14, and an air compressor 2 tank model, $89… both still working very nicely! 4-5 yrs. now.

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#9 posted 08-22-2009 09:45 PM

I think I just got a flyer that has them on sale for $79.00

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#10 posted 10-06-2010 10:06 PM

Joe,

Did you ever get this saw? And if so, how is it holding up for you? I am getting very frustrated by my 10” non slider CMS and have been eyeballing this one for a while now…

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com

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Joe Lyddon

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#11 posted 10-06-2010 10:46 PM

Nope… I didn’t feel like taking a chance on it and the hassle in case it didn’t work out…

Since I was looking at it, there have been more reviews on it… and they, for the most part, look pretty good!

Looks like it’s still a crap shoot… might be lucky… and maybe not…

If you get it, it looks like you better really run it through its paces during the warranty period… If it makes it, chances are you’d have a good one… on the other hand… :) :)

It all depends on how lucky you feel…

Let us know how it goes… OK? :)

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#12 posted 10-06-2010 11:09 PM

Well, I have had pretty good luck with HF, but I have heard such bad things about the prior model slider that I have been leery… But this model seems okay, at least on the reviews I have seen… Some not so hot, but most are pretty good…

I figure I will get it with the extended warranty next time it comes up on sale with the 20% coupon…

I have a bunch of LONG 2×8s I need to cut to length, and I do NOT want to do this on the table saw…

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com

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#13 posted 10-07-2010 05:23 AM

Joe I bought one a few years back, so its an older model but about the same specs. The only thing I’ve had to replace was the switch. Otherwise its worked fine for my use. Then again I use my RAS more than the SCMS. It was one of those tool lotteries we tend to get into. I got lucky with the one I got.

-- I don't make mistakes, I have great learning lessons, Greg

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Joe Lyddon

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#14 posted 10-07-2010 05:39 AM

Greg, very good!

I have had pretty good luck with all of the HF stuff I have… 2 gal compressor & small brad nailer. Then Clamps & clamps.
That’s about all I can think of… seems like there is more but, it’s late.. :)

I hear the horror stories & makes me a little gun shy…

Thank you.

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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alnandy

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#15 posted 10-07-2010 06:29 AM

I actually bought and used their 10” SCMS for two years. It was a good tool, especially for less than $100. I ended up with a furniture commission that required extreme accuracy in making mitres, which was a bit beyond the capability of the HF saw. I upgraded to a Makita and sold the HF saw for about $50.

Bottom line, I recommend the 10” saw for all but the most exacting jobs. However, when you get the saw home and set up, see how tight the saw is on straight, 45 degree straight, and 45 degree angle cuts. If there is slop in any of these, take it back and get a different one. Their quality control isn’t great, but that also means that some of the saws will be pretty decent, and some won’t be.

-- Allan

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