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Oosik

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05-08-2015 01:20 PM

I’m having trouble deciding on a band saw. I understand get the biggest and best you can afford but when is it to much?

If I had unlimited funds I would pick up a Minimax, but I can’t justify the cost no matter how nice the machine is at this time or in the medium term.

I’ve been looking at the following grizzly models:

G0513ANV $875 free shipping (2 HP)
G0513X2BF $1350 (2HP)
G0514X2B $1675 (3 HP)

These three (3) saws all have the same max cutting height of 12” which plays in resawing thick stock.

The big differences I noticed are the table size, weight (relation to amount of cast iron used), and with the G0513ANV it has Euro Style Roller Discs instead of Double Ball Bearings, Steel Trunnion, Extruded Aluminum Fence, and no Resaw Fence included.

As much as I like the idea of cast iron wheels and larger tables, what would I be sacrificing if I went with the cheaper G0513ANV bandsaw?


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#1 posted 05-08-2015 02:05 PM

That big one is a 220V machine. Not sure if that is an issue for you.

The bearings can probably be switched out. The table is pretty permanent, but even then you can make a sled that is wider and longer to help support large pieces if/when you need to. The cast iron wheels provide a lot of inertia, which is good, and obviously those can’t be changed out later.

The cheaper one also has no break, which means you have to wait for it to spin down on its own. I don’t find this a great big deal.

Does Shopfox have a version of the less expensive 17” saw? If so, it may have the cast iron wheels, but otherwise the same features as the G0513ANV. I know this was the case when I bought my Shopfox W1706 14” bandsaw. It was virtually identical to the equivalent grizzly, but came with the cast iron wheels, and a nicer, enclosed, base. It was not significantly more expensive either.

-Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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#2 posted 05-08-2015 02:12 PM

Shop fox appears to only have a 14”, 2 19”, and a 21”.

Do you feel like you are ever missing out on extra space or capacity with your 14”? What is the max cutting height?

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#3 posted 05-08-2015 02:50 PM

They used to have a 17” BS but retired it shortly after I bought one.

I’d still go with a BS that gives you a 16 to 18” wide cut and at least 10” high and up to a 1” band. This setup will allow you to do most work provided by a wood cutting BS. However the larger the BSs have limits to the size of the band used. The smallest band my 1707 can use is 1/4”. Eventually I may purchase a 10” bench top model for small tight work that the SS can’t handle.

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#4 posted 05-08-2015 02:53 PM

I work mainly with 4/4 lumber, so no I have not felt the 14” is a limitation. I use it mainly for resawing and other small rip/crosscut operations. Big panels I do on my TS. If you do a lot of contour cuts/shaping of large pieces you may notice the width limitation more than I notice it.

My max cutting height is 6”, but there is a riser kit available for this saw (and the Grizzly 14”s) that can allow it to resaw 12” high.

-Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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#5 posted 05-08-2015 03:28 PM

The features I would prioritize are:

Cast Iron Wheels (A must for and serious band saw)

Quality Fence System – this is not the look of the fence, this is the mount, the rail it slides on, and then the fence it self. Kreg makes a great system you can add later but you might not have to.

Guide System – Cool block like Laguna are not the only good option, there are many great guide bearing systems, but many very cheap versions like on some of those saws that people eventually upgrade later with Carter. If you short yourself on that, you will end up paying more later

Build Quality – This is where many band saws fail. You must be able to get the table, fence, and blade setup and held in place reliably. There are many forums full of people complaining about bad cuts and drift. I believe most of that is poor setup. But, the BS must have the quality to dial in to the correct tolerances and hold them.

Then…. Capacity – Over rated spec in my opinion. Obviously if you need a 14” resaw, then you better buy a BS to handle that. But don’t focus on it first. There are some very featured bandsaws with great capasity that are not worth using. Best quality, then best capacity.

I opted for a much better built 15” over a mediocre 17” with great spec sheets. So glad I did!!! Best tool purchase yet.

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#6 posted 05-08-2015 03:48 PM

In addition to the other differences that you’re already aware of, G0513ANV doesn’t have a motor brake, but the other two do. With the G0513X2BF, you can activate the brake with your foot.

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#7 posted 05-08-2015 03:50 PM



In addition to the other differences that you re already aware of, G0513ANV doesn t have a motor brake, but the other two do. With the G0513X2BF, you can activate the brake with your foot.

- Rob

Good call Rob – I left that out. Footbrake is a huge safety feature. Get one if you can, those blades are sharp.

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#8 posted 05-08-2015 06:23 PM

Just went through the same thing, got rid of my Delta 14” and picked up a Rikon 305 10” and a General 90-240, 2hp 17”. I did switch it to 220V. My advice. cast wheels a must have, large table and bearing guides(mine has double bearings) price and the fact the saw was a few years old with about 3 hours use and 5 blades 1/4” to 1” made the deal too good to pass on! Oh ya mobile base which I don’t need but may come in handy. Only thing I would love to have is a brake, she takes a while to slow down which is the main reason to get cast wheels! Is the saw for hobby use or to make money would also be a factor?

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Oosik

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#9 posted 05-08-2015 06:33 PM

Main use is hobby use to resaw larger boards and cut curves easier than my jig saw.

I do like the idea of cast iron wheels and a brake, I just like to weigh the cost versus the upgrades I’m getting so it is nice to get others opinions and experiences.

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#10 posted 05-08-2015 08:35 PM

I have a more basic version of the Grizzly 17” bandsaw (General International) that I bought at an estate sale. After putting new tires on it (from Grizzly), installing a set of Carter blade guides, and a Timber Wolf 2/3 TPI bad it works just fine for resawing. At $875 that is a pretty good buy.

-- Roger M, Aiken, SC

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#11 posted 05-08-2015 08:36 PM

I have a more basic version of the Grizzly 17” bandsaw (General International) that I bought at an estate sale. After putting new tires on it (from Grizzly), installing a set of Carter blade guides, and a Timber Wolf 2/3 TPI bad it works just fine for resawing. At $875 that is a pretty good buy.

-- Roger M, Aiken, SC

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BroncoBrian

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#12 posted 05-08-2015 08:53 PM

Question for everyone:

Is the width or resaw height more important to you?

I keep hearing that people opt or a 17” BS which would be width. Many don’t have any more resaw capability which I find to be the most important feature (between the two). The width does not seem to be so useful.

Thoughts?

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bigblockyeti

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#13 posted 05-08-2015 09:25 PM

I got a good deal on a used 20” Grizzly and oddly enough, it has a cast iron lower wheel and an aluminum upper wheel. I use it almost exclusively for milling logs and resaw work. It has lower disc blade guides which I prefer, especially below the table as the blade tends to mash the dust onto the bearings where the discs tend to scrap the blade clean. One consideration is the price of blades, this is of particular concern if you’re buying expensive blades, mine’s almost 13’ and though I don’t have any, some blades carbide tipped blades can be over $10/ft making the cost high to higher as you choose a larger saw.

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bbasiaga

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#14 posted 05-08-2015 11:33 PM



Question for everyone:

Is the width or resaw height more important to you?

I keep hearing that people opt or a 17” BS which would be width. Many don t have any more resaw capability which I find to be the most important feature (between the two). The width does not seem to be so useful.

Thoughts?

- BroncoBrian

I agree with you here. I have sometimes wished for more cuttting height, but have yet to run in to the column with my project. I suppose it depends on what kind of things you do for projects though. The larger bandsaws also have more motor HP, and can handle thicker blades. Both of which help with big resawing projects. Still, i feel like my 14” is plenty for what i do, mainly furniture.

-Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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BroncoBrian

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#15 posted 05-09-2015 01:09 AM

Brian – I will be posting some pics and a review after some use this weekend. I have setup my 15” PM bandsaw. 14” resaw which I think is great. Not trying to run a mill. The guides and everything else on this saw are so hugely overbuilt it is impressive.

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