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05-05-2015 01:25 AM

Topic tags/keywords: drill press freymach frey

Hi All,

I’ve been on this site a few times from google searches after buying a rather old drill press for $25 on Craigslist. There’s pretty much NO info on this one brand online, the only thing I’ve found about this drill press was an ad from a 1965 issue of Popular Mechanics (see? pretty old, lol) For reference, here it is, this is similar, but not identical to what I have:

https://books.google.com/books?id=X-MDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA191&lpg=PA191&dq=%22freymach%22+drill+press&source=bl&ots=YglNHd_nek&sig=lG5JZsmVwfU76zHcfYqgkI15-Lg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Lc5HVaHUMbeBsQSbooGwAg&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22freymach%22%20drill%20press&f=false

Anyway, I took the entire thing apart, it’s pretty easy, except for the final piece: trying to get the band rail/bearing off the spindle side so I can paint the drill press body. I already have the spindle/quill removed, all wiring is out, the handle axel and the tension spring. I just don’t want to assume anything and just try to bang the band rail out, but there is no set screw on it, which makes me think it’s just affixed to the bearing and it’s all one piece.

The make/model is a Freymach 200 (Frey Machine Co.). If anyone happens to have any knowledge of Frey drill presses, please let me know. I’m at work right now and the photos are on my phone, so I will post some pictures when I get home. Thanks.

Frank


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#1 posted 05-05-2015 01:35 AM

Try OWWM.org or vintagemachinery.org

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#2 posted 05-05-2015 01:50 AM

No dice to both so far, but thanks for the leads. This thing is so uncommon that googling “fray drill press” literally brought up that one google books link and that’s it, lol.

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#3 posted 05-05-2015 02:24 AM

No dice to both so far, but thanks for the leads. This thing is so uncommon that googling “fray drill press” literally brought up that one google books link and that s it, lol.

No mention of a manufacturer named Freymach, but the google link to that old 1965 Popular Mechanics issue shows them as a distributor out of New York. Are you sure Fraymach was the manufacturer, and is there any other casting marks showing location of manufacture or other hints. If it’s not a US made machine, OWWM and VM won’t be of much help.

Cheers,
Brad

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#4 posted 05-05-2015 02:36 AM

Thanks Brad. Now that you mention it, the motor is a Packard, made in Ohio, but the full drill press has a made in Japan sticker on it. Here are some pictures. The fray mach plate is the plate that the motor mounts on to. Last pic shows most of the front badge, apologies for it being sideways and cut off.

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#5 posted 05-05-2015 02:49 AM

What does the bottom of that badge say… kind of hard to read. But if it was made in Japan, you are going to have a hard time finding any real info on it.

Cheers,
Brad

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#6 posted 05-05-2015 03:04 AM

It’s literally the company name and address in New York. Fray machine and motor co. And the serial number, which is irrelevant. That’s why its confusing since it says made in Japan AND has this Japan QA sticker on the band shield.

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#7 posted 05-05-2015 03:20 AM

Stumped… most likely an import, and Frey was the importer or VAR, but who knows. Did find an article from 1928 in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle about a fire that started in the loft of the Frey Machine and Motor company, where two walls collapsed… might have been when they went out of business :)

Cheers,
Brad

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#8 posted 05-05-2015 01:26 PM

Thanks anyway. As I said, I have most of it apart, the only final piece I want to research before making a move on is popping the spindle bearing out, which seems like it’s affixed to the band rail anyway, either that or the band rail is really stuck on there and I don’t want to hit it TOO hard with a rubber mallet. I guess I’ll have to make a writeup of the steps I took for reference one day, not that it seems anyone else has a drill press from this company, lol. Still, for $25, it’s a learning experience, I should post my photos once I’m done painting it all, although there’s not a photo for every step, but good enough to see the before and after at least.

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#9 posted 05-05-2015 01:51 PM

Off topic, but those vintage back of the magazine ads are the best.

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#10 posted 05-10-2015 10:03 PM

Alrighty, so I finally got the band rail off and I’m left with this. I tried popping the bearing out from the inside with a PVC pipe, thinking it would just bang out, but before I try hitting harder, I wanted to bring this up to the group.

Looking at the spindle part that the band rail was covering, there’s the ring with two slots on it, as if it could almost be unscrewed with a giant flathead (if there was no spindle in the middle). It looks like its threaded in, so I’m curious, has anyone else seen a drill press with this type of setup? Does it just unscrew rather than pop out? If so, is it still lefty loosey or is it reverse threaded so I have to turn it right to get it out? Hopefully the pics will spark some light bulbs.

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#11 posted 05-10-2015 10:13 PM

Seen those in a few places, but not on a drill press. But you should be able to use a spanner wrench to get that off, either one with flats on the ends or maybe even with a regular pin spanner wrench. As for left/right threads, from the picture it appears you can see the top two or three threads, so you should be able to determine which way it comes off by looking at them.

Cheers,
Brad

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#12 posted 05-12-2015 01:59 PM

So, I did a little more digging, and I’m 90% sure what I’m looking at is a bearing collar, to keep the bearing in, and that it is indeed threaded. I found a restore post of a South Bend drill press with similar images of a slotted collar, shown about 1/3 the way down in this link: http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threads/the-saga-of-a-south-bend-drill-press.7255/

Here are the pics extracted. Although I don’t have one of those flat wrenches, and the pin wrench I got from HF wasn’t wide enough to sit in both slots at the same time, it’s at least a good lead. I keep soaking the threaded area with WD40 to let it seep in, so hopefully that will break apart whatever may be fused to the inside thread of the casing.

Anyway, pics for enlightenment:

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#13 posted 06-17-2015 09:11 PM

Hi all, a new semi-big update.

First thing’s first, I got that lock ring out. It turns out it was fused in there really good. I doused it in kroil a few times and to no avail, ended up buying a 2” spanner wrench on Amazon, found a way to pop that spindle out from the inside (turns out it just sits on the bearings), and was able to finally take the ring out, along with the two bearings inside. So that solves that problem.

Now the drill is finally all cleaned up and painted, I didn’t remove all the grease from that pulley spindle (there’s a ton of it under that big black hex cap), but I didn’t re-apply to the bearings yet.

So, I got a new insulated wire for the motor, it had threaded posts for the contacts, so what I did was soldered new loop terminals on the new wires and bolted them in. I put it all together, and the motor itself spins no problems. HOWEVER, when I put the band back on to the pulleys, three things happen:

1. Turning the switch on, the motor makes a little flash/spark on startup before it does its thing, but it does spin fine.
2. The spindle/quill is a bit rumbly, but that’s kind of expected considering the bearings probably had a little kroil leak onto them and I didn’t re-grease them yet.
3. In the one case of testing it out last night, at some points, turning it on, the motor would hum and not spin until I gave the pulley a bit of a running start by turning it. I’m not sure if the band is just too tight on it or that combined with ungreased bearings.

So, this brings up a few questions:

1. If I am to re-grease these bearings, any preferred grease to use? I saw a few top rated things on Amazon were Royal Purple synthetic bearing grease, and Timken Red wheel bearing grease. I’m guessing most greases would serve the purpose, but I figured I’d ask if anyone has more ideal recommendations that I can either get online or at home depot/lowes.

2. Is that spark normal in the motor? I wasn’t paying attention when I first got it, so I wasn’t sure if it happened back then. Either that or perhaps it’s because the tension on the motor is slowing it down a bit and thus its more noticeable.

Aside from these symptoms, the machine DOES work, I can pull down the quill and everything works fine if not a bit noisily. I didn’t want to run it for too long in case the motor has too much tension from the band. I’m pretty sure I put the motor bracket together the right way as well (one part of which is that H shaped Freymach plate from my previous posts, that’s the part that connects to the motor bracket and slides onto the back of the drill press head), but I may try readjusting to see if I Can get it to mount closer to the head.

Here’s some pics of the finished product, at least as far as painting goes. I left some parts a cleaned up brushed metal, and painted most matte black/hunter green. Disregard the height difference of the motor to the spindle pulley, this pic was taken before I adjusted the motor to be more level.

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