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Rightousdan

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04-24-2015 12:40 PM

Topic tags/keywords: powermatic 64a question tablesaw review advice

Good Morning,
I just saw on craigslist a Powermatic 64A from 2006-2007 being posted.

Here is the link https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/tls/4992842583.html
And here is whats included…(900.00)
- 50” Powermatic fence rails with homemade extension table
- Jet Xacta Fence II (micro adjust)
- dust collection plate with wastegate
- Shop Fox mobile base (moves both saw and extension)
- factory throat plates (regular and dado)
- homemade zero clearance throat plate with Micro Jig Splitter kit
- factory miter guage
- Incra V27 miter guage
- 6 saw blades (all used. Carbide blades are in good shape – never been sharpened)
- Craftsman 36 tooth carbide rip (currently on the saw)
- Oldham 180 tooth steel OSB/Plywood blade
- Freud Premier Fusion 40 tooth carbide
- Freud 50 tooth thin kerf combination
- Oldham 60 tooth carbide finishing
- generic 40 tooth carbide still in packaging
- Craftsman 6” dado blade set (not pictured)

I am going to take a look at it today to see what its all about but wanted to see if anyone here has any experience with this saw and could give me some pointers/advice.

Thanks!


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Gene Howe

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#1 posted 04-24-2015 01:14 PM

Good morning to you, too.
I have no experience with the saw but I’ve seen them go for far less on our local craigs lists.
Other than the Fence. mobile base and Incra miter gauge, there’s little else of added value (to me, anyway).

I’d offer around $550 and top out at 750.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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Rightousdan

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#2 posted 04-24-2015 01:38 PM



Good morning to you, too.
I have no experience with the saw but I ve seen them go for far less on our local craigs lists.
Other than the Fence. mobile base and Incra miter gauge, there s little else of added value (to me, anyway).

I d offer around $550 and top out at 750.

- Gene Howe

Gene,
Thanks for the info. If this saw was sold without the extras what do you think it would go for? I am trying to find a good price to offer as I think it looks like a good saw and don’t want to low ball him.

Thanks

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BroncoBrian

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#3 posted 04-24-2015 02:22 PM

Don’t mess this up again! That is another example of saving about $800 on a quality product that will last many many years and it is in great condition!

Once again, good find. Over you last budget by quite a bit, but again, that seller knows he has a great saw and clean and ready to use. His accessories are very good. Incra miter gauge is awesome.

If it is really clean, and he seems to have cared for it, maybe offer $800 and be fair about it. But don’t assume because someone saw an old PM, rusted, and collecting dust for 10 years it will be the same as that saw. TLC is a huge part of our tool value. If you would not buy a new saw and leave it in the rain, don’t buy one from a guy who did b/c it is a cheap price.

Go get that if you have the money. And if you budget keeps doubling like this, I will talk you into a SawStop.

Good luck.

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Rightousdan

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#4 posted 04-24-2015 02:26 PM

Thanks for the input BroncoBrian. I am not worried about the price as much as I am about wondering what people think about this unit. It is a PM which I know has a great reputation in the industry. I am looking at it this afternoon regardless but wanted to see if anyone could tell me more about the unit.

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BroncoBrian

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#5 posted 04-24-2015 02:40 PM

Ok, it is great. Almost bought one (newer version) myself, but went with a SawStop. I have kids and I need my fingers so the extra $500 was too easy for me to upgrade to.

That PM is very similar to the new Jet which is very solid. I think the PM tables might be finished smoother and that motor is a workhorse. I have been super impressed with PM tools and you will have it for a long time.

That fence rail system is solid. Better that what the new Grizzly stuff has for sure, not even including that fence. It is so easy to adjust for square to the table. They still use that design on the new saws and the band saw I just ordered. Best in the business.

That saw is easily twice the machine you were looking at with the smaller Delta. I also wish I had chosen the larger extension. That is a valuable upgrade as well.

Any guy who keeps his mobile base manual is someone who cares about his tools. I am very meticulous, and I don’t so that.

The only complaint I see is dust collection. I would build out the bottom of that saw with plywood and install a 4” port, it will help with about 75% of the mess which you will appreciate. That is a benefit of the true cabinet saws.

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BroncoBrian

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#6 posted 04-24-2015 02:43 PM

Just looked at all the photos again, he did add dust collection to it. I would have done that differently and it could be improved, but that is a great start. About $25 of stuff you don’t have to buy if you changed it up some.

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#7 posted 04-24-2015 02:47 PM

The Powermatic 64A is a good saw for what it is. What it is, however, is an imported, rear motor, belt drive contractor saw, similar to many others that were built in Taiwan around the same time. It’ll have smaller, table mounted trunnions and the base unit is not really that much of a step up from the similar Delta, Ridgid, General & Craftsman units. The only reason it would be better than those is the upgraded fence system.

Personally, I would never spend that much on a used contractor saw, regardless of brand. A new hybrid saw would have many advantages for a similar price and a 3HP cabinet saw is a big step up in performance for a relatively small step up in price. Heck, you could buy a new Delta contractor saw and upgrade the fence for less money and have a warranty. A new saw would also have a riving knife, which this one does not.

If you have 220 available, you should be able to find a used cabinet saw for that amount or less, with a little patience.

In the end, its a good saw, but I just don’t feel its a good value.

Edit: Here’s a contractor saw in the Minneapolis area that I would consider to be a good saw and a much better value

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/tls/4993913214.html

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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kimosawboy

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#8 posted 04-24-2015 02:53 PM

For the price he asking you could pick up a decent cabinet saw with most of the same bells and whistles..
G Vavra

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#9 posted 04-24-2015 02:54 PM

The PM “Artisan” saws were solid machines… but IIRC, they were selling in the $750-$1000 range back in 2006, so that one is priced a bit high. As Jay points out, you can find a nice used 3hp cabinet saw for that price or even less. But if you are chomping at the bit to get a saw, that one looks like it’s been well cared for and would serve you well.

Cheers,
Brad

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knotscott

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#10 posted 04-24-2015 03:25 PM

That’s essentially a nice Taiwanese contractor saw with a great fence, nice mobile base, solid wings, some custom DC, a good aftermarket miter gauge ($60 new), and some decent used blades (good new blades start @ ~ $30). It’s very similar to the former GI 50-185, Grizzly G0576, Bridgewood, and Jet contractor saws of the day…..no riving knife, outboard motor nuisance, open cabinet and legs, no warranty. To me it’s a ~ $550-$600 saw with some nice perks…..maybe $650 of value if any of the extras interest you.

PM has a good reputation and offers some really good tools. This one does not justify much of a premium IMO. At the end of the day, it’s still just a decent Taiwanese contractor saw that happens to be PM gold color and has a PM logo. I loved my GI 50-185 and made some good things with it….there’s no way I’d pay $900 for what it offers. I’d take a good long look at what else you can get for $900….new or used.

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MrUnix

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#11 posted 04-24-2015 04:00 PM

If you are looking for a contractor type saw, there is a nice newer model C-man in your area for $200 which is pretty reasonable. Align-a-rip fence, mobile base, dust collection and it has a cast iron router extension wing as well…
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/tls/4991771326.html

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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knotscott

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#12 posted 04-24-2015 04:39 PM


If you are looking for a contractor type saw, there is a nice newer model C-man in your area for $200 which is pretty reasonable. Align-a-rip fence, mobile base, dust collection and it has a cast iron router extension wing as well…
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/tls/4991771326.html

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix

This one is a much better value IMO, and is worth the asking price…..you can resell it for that price on any given day. The fence isn’t in the same league as the Xacta, but it should work well…..for < 25% of the cost, you’ll get a tool from the same category of saw.

Same goes for the link JayT posted on the Ridgid 3650. https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/tls/4993913214.html

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BroncoBrian

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#13 posted 04-24-2015 05:39 PM

The above posts are correct about being able to get a cabinet saw close to that pricing, but the assumption that the PM is just like a rigid or craftsman is off in my opinion. Actually, that is not even a little reasonable. Powermatic has not sold a Craftsman or Rigid knock off, ever. It goes the other way.

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knotscott

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#14 posted 04-24-2015 06:26 PM


The above posts are correct about being able to get a cabinet saw close to that pricing, but the assumption that the PM is just like a rigid or craftsman is off in my opinion. Actually, that is not even a little reasonable. Powermatic has not sold a Craftsman or Rigid knock off, ever. It goes the other way.

- BroncoBrian

The PM64a is undoubtedly the nicer saw in this case (better fence, beefier motor, better condition) ...I don’t recall seeing anyone mention that it’s just like the Ridgid or Cman….if they did, I missed it. My point is that the PM64a and Cman/Ridgid contractor saws are categorized in the same general class of saw – older style Taiwanese made contractor saws with outboard motors, open enclosures, no riving knives, etc., and that the Cman/Ridgid are priced more inline with what they’re worth, whereas the PM64a is out of line for a saw in that class IMO. In this case the price of the PM64a is 3x and 4x of the other two saws, but not worth 3x or 4x more IMO….AFAIK, the PM64a rolled out of the same Mao Shan factory as the GI 50-185, Griz G0576, Bridgewood TSC-10, and Jet 708471K circa 2000ish. It’s very much like a upper end Chevy with a Cadillac logo, and some nicer doo-dads added. It’s a good contractor saw that has served many folks well in the past, but its no PM66.

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JayT

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#15 posted 04-24-2015 07:02 PM

Like Scott, I don’t think anyone said they were the same. I posted:

the base unit is not really that much of a step up from the similar Delta, Ridgid, General & Craftsman units. The only reason it would be better than those is the upgraded fence system.

- JayT

I’ll stand by that statement. By similar, I’m referring to all being rear motor, belt drive contractor saws. The Powermatic is a step up from the brands I listed, just not a very big one. The problem of the step being small is not a reflection of PM, it’s the limitations of the contractor saw design itself. They were designed and built to be relatively lightweight and portable to move to work locations. That means lighter trunnions, smaller motors, sheet steel cabinets and legs and other weight reducing factors. Nowadays, most contractors use plastic bodied jobsite saws and the “contractor” saw has generally become a light/medium duty stationary machine.

I have a friend that has a PM 64A he bought new about ten years ago, while I own an 80’s Emerson built Craftsman contractor saw with an upgraded fence. He spent $1000 on his and I have about $250 tied up in mine. Performance wise they are very close. Both are well set up and have similar power. The only real noticeable performance difference to me, outside of the fence, is that his tilt mechanism is a bit smoother and sturdier. I like his saw, but wouldn’t spend four times as much for the very small gain.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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