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Forum topic by ric53 posted 04-21-2015 01:12 PM 1217 views 0 times favorited 25 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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04-21-2015 01:12 PM

I was watching a video of David Barron cutting dovetails and he was using a jig that had a magnet on it that attached to his saw allowing him to make a nice straight cut. My question is, does anyone know where I can get one of these? Thanks.

-- Ric, Mazomanie


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#1 posted 04-21-2015 01:56 PM

Yes, here

Or you may want to consider these

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#2 posted 04-21-2015 01:59 PM

I have a shop made version. The one thing to keep in your mind is that if you use a saw with any set to the teeth, they will chew up the sides of the block. At least, that is what I have found. I use a flush cut Japanese saw with mine.

-- Brian T. - Exact science is not an exact science

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#3 posted 04-21-2015 02:18 PM

Thanks Doc, I think I’ll try the veritas model. Ripthorn, I too use a Japanese saw. Love it.

-- Ric, Mazomanie

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#4 posted 04-21-2015 04:11 PM

You can order it directly from his site. I have one on the way. I looked at the veritas one, but liked his better. I’ll know in about a week. I’ll post a review.

-- Sooner or later Liberals run out of other people's money.

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#5 posted 04-21-2015 04:13 PM

I looked at the Veritas, as well. Didn’t like the clamp (thought it was unnecessary after watching the Barron video) so ordered one from David Barron—great product and service. My review is here

I think you’ll be happy with the jig, whichever you choose to get.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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#6 posted 04-21-2015 04:35 PM

I have the David Barron, ordered it directly from him as noted above, and I really like it. I chose it over the Veritas because I didn’t want to fiddle with the clamp, and from my experience, the clamp isn’t necessary.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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#7 posted 04-21-2015 08:16 PM

The David Barron one is great, works a treat but you do have to make sure your stock is properly square before starting or else when it comes time to cut the pins the angle won’t be the same.

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#8 posted 04-22-2015 12:40 PM



The David Barron one is great, works a treat but you do have to make sure your stock is properly square before starting or else when it comes time to cut the pins the angle won t be the same.

- AESamuel

I don’t think that’s unique to the block, if your stock isn’t square, you’re going to run into issues. Maybe not assembling the first joint, but by the time you start to put everything together, things probably won’t turn out square and/or flat. I think you’ve pointed out a great tip that applies well to all types of joinery.

-- - The mightiest oak in the forest is just a little nut that held its ground.

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#9 posted 04-22-2015 05:40 PM

I made my own because I didn’t wan’t to pay the $50.
By the time I ordered some magnets and some UHMW material I probably spent $25 plus a day of my time.
It works fine, but if I had it to do over would have just ordered the nice machined aluminum one from David.

-- Joel, Encinitas, CA

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#10 posted 04-22-2015 05:56 PM

Don’t start using any of that kind of stuff.

They are crutches and will keep you from developing the skills we all want as craftsman.

The only one I would even consider is the 45 but I would have to have a real good reason like 50 mitered dovetails or something.

......my 2 cts….

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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#11 posted 04-22-2015 05:59 PM

There are multiple hand skills it takes to cut dovetails: good marking skills, straight accurate dovetail saw cut, coping saw for waste, precision chisel use. All the guide does is get the saw cut line straight and predictable. I don’t consider that a crutch.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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#12 posted 04-22-2015 07:01 PM


Don t start using any of that kind of stuff.

They are crutches and will keep you from developing the skills we all want as craftsman.

- Robert Engel

I agree with Charles. I don’t own a guide block and spent a lot of time getting my dovetails better (and they’re far from what others here can do). I still wouldn’t consider it a crutch, and more than a miter box is a crutch. Does a miter box mean the user is any less of a craftsman, or that he can’t make a straight, repeatable cut to a line? Probably not. It probably just means that he’s taking advantage of a tool that’s designed to make the process quicker/easier/consistent.

Your statement makes two assumptions :
1.) That every person’s definition of, or ultimate goal as, a craftsman is identical to yours.
2.) That people who use those guide blocks do not have the ability to produce quality dovetails without them.

-- - The mightiest oak in the forest is just a little nut that held its ground.

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#13 posted 04-22-2015 07:44 PM

+2 to Charles and Ed.

The magnetic guide is a jig, no more or less than a miter box, shooting board, honing guide, etc.—the list is endless. Every woodworker I know uses jigs of some kind (heck, a hand plane is really just a jig to hold a chisel), so why is this one a “crutch” and others’ use are accepted and even lauded? If you say to not use “any of that kind of stuff”, what have you built using just a knife and a chisel? Because every other cutting tool is a jig of some kind.

I use this jig because it helps to quickly create quality, repeatable work. If I cut dovetails every day for years, maybe it wouldn’t be needed, but since I don’t get that kind of shop time, I’ll use the tools available and recommend the good ones to others.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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#14 posted 04-22-2015 08:36 PM


The David Barron one is great, works a treat but you do have to make sure your stock is properly square before starting or else when it comes time to cut the pins the angle won t be the same.

- AESamuel

I don t think that s unique to the block, if your stock isn t square, you re going to run into issues. Maybe not assembling the first joint, but by the time you start to put everything together, things probably won t turn out square and/or flat. I think you ve pointed out a great tip that applies well to all types of joinery.

- BinghamtonEd

Yes of course! I just meant on an individual dovetail. Square stock is important no matter what you’re doing.

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#15 posted 04-22-2015 09:32 PM

Thanks guys. I think you have all convinced me to order a Barron guide. As to the comment by Robert, if I had nothing but time on my hands I would probably cut all my joints by hand but I don’t. This is a jig that hopefully will help me speed up the process. I get a little tired of you purists snubbing the rest of us. If you chose to do everything the hard way, be my guest but keep your comments about the rest of us to yourself.

-- Ric, Mazomanie

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