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04-17-2015 07:27 PM

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I’ll have the opportunity soon ( when the snow melts and the ground is dry) to buy a master carpenters tool chest that has been stored untouched in the center of an old building (a coop I think) for many years. I am thinking to make an offer sight unseen for it. (Its a friend of mine and I trust him when he says it belong to his uncle a master carpenter from Finland.) So my questions are (1) approximately what would I expect to be in it, (2) what should I offer and (3) should I just wait and see the contents first? Any other advice would also be appreciated.

-- Don K, (Houghton, Michigan)


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#1 posted 04-17-2015 08:04 PM

Let me make this plain—

Anyone who would attempt to quote you a figure, based on the limited facts presented above, is a fool.

You have to examine the contents and make an offer based upon them and their perceived worth to you.

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#2 posted 04-17-2015 08:24 PM

If the Owner puts a price tag on it then thats where you have to start at , other wise look at it and see if it is even worth getting. Everything could be rusted so bad it is not worth trying to cleanup unless it is full of really collectaible stuff.

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#3 posted 04-17-2015 08:32 PM

Why would you not look at it first? Seems silly (No offense).

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#4 posted 04-17-2015 09:14 PM

Why wouldn’t a friend allow you to look inside? If it’s been in a coop for bunches of yrs there may be rot and whatever is in it is probably rusted to the max.

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#5 posted 04-17-2015 11:00 PM

Well, you see he also has a complete 55 (but missing the box). I was thinking to make an offer that included both and by saying I’ll buy them with the tool chest sight unseen to maybe get a good deal. (I.e. this is what I offer, but once I see inside it may be less.) I think he has been told that his 55 is worth more than it is. I was trying to find a way to be fair and have him believe he is getting a fair price. Always difficult negotiating with a friend. You want him to get a fair price while you get a good deal and at the end remain friendd.


Why wouldn t a friend allow you to look inside? If it s been in a coop for bunches of yrs there may be rot and whatever is in it is probably rusted to the max.

- Ghidrah

No this my idea. My friend is expecting me to look inside. Well its just an idea.


Let me make this plain—

Anyone who would attempt to quote you a figure, based on the limited facts presented above, is a fool.

You have to examine the contents and make an offer based upon them and their perceived worth to you.

- DocBailey

Well maybe Doc. But often at auctions you do buy such things, sometimes with a peek, but often with no peek. Its a gamble I suppose. I guess what I am looking for is an expected average value on such things, then I could take a measured/educated risk. (I play to much poker.)


If the Owner puts a price tag on it then thats where you have to start at , other wise look at it and see if it is even worth getting. Everything could be rusted so bad it is not worth trying to cleanup unless it is full of really collectaible stuff.

- Richard

No the owner is not going to price tag on it. He does not know the value I bought a stanley 4, 4.5, 7, and 78, plus sevral files and some chisels last year from him. Gave him a figure like $100, he said make it $120 and we were good. But then came out the 55 and he said he was told it was worth I think $300 or $400. I said I’d have to research it. Decided I didn’t need it but having watched Mos, I now want one. I think its worth $250 with out the box. So that leaves the tools in the tool chest and the rest of my budget to reconcile.

Maybe this is an easier question. I have a pretty good idea on what I’d pay for things except for wooden molding planes. Any suggestions?

-- Don K, (Houghton, Michigan)

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#6 posted 04-18-2015 12:42 AM


Well maybe Doc. But often at auctions you do buy such things, sometimes with a peek, but often with no peek. Its a gamble I suppose. I guess what I am looking for is an expected average value on such things, then I could take a measured/educated risk. (I play to much poker.)

- Combo Prof

Sorry Don, but there’s no “maybe”s about it.

Any dollar amount that any person came up with regarding an unknown quantity, type and condition of tools which might be in the mystery box is complete and utter (and meaningless) speculation.

That is simple logic.

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#7 posted 04-18-2015 02:41 AM

I would take a look. Perhaps everything inside is rusted beyond repair.

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#8 posted 04-18-2015 02:58 AM

What I like in my tool chest – some essentials from hand tool perspective
A decent crosscut saw
A decent rip saw
Dovetail saw (rip)
Tenon saw (crosscut)
No. 4 plane like a Bailey
No. 6 or 7 plane like a Bailey
Shoulder plane
Accurate square
Two dividers – 6 or 8” for layout
Folding wood ruler
Nice brace and a decent selection of auger bits
1/8, 1/4, 1/2” bench chisels
Marking gauge

-- Tom - Measure twice cut once. Then measure again. Curse. Fudge.

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#9 posted 04-18-2015 03:36 AM

Straight open disclosure is the fairest method you can offer or be offered to by friend or stranger. A fair price for an item is relative yeah, it goes back to “one man’s treasure is an others trash”. A fair offer is what you tender for what you see. One must also include effort and cost to repair if required. I believe it keeps friends friends.

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#10 posted 04-18-2015 05:24 AM

(1) approximately what would I expect to be in it,
(2) what should I offer and
(3) should I just wait and see the contents first?

1- Anything from a dead rat to a bunch of old tools that may or may not be worth anything.
2- You’re kidding, right?
3- Yes

Seriously… buying or making an offer on anything sight unseen is foolish IMHO. Ask your bud to open it up and tell you what’s in there.

often at auctions you do buy such things, sometimes with a peek, but often with no peek.

Never sight unseen, and even ‘without a peek’, you are at least told what the contents are – maybe not a detailed description, but at least you get an idea of what to expect. A box from an old carpenter that has been stored for years and nobody knows what is inside is quite different. For all anyone knows, it could just be his last change of clothes and a pair of shoes.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#11 posted 04-18-2015 10:17 AM

Well O.K. everybody. I guess it was abad idea. But I suppose thats why I asked.

-- Don K, (Houghton, Michigan)

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#12 posted 04-18-2015 10:17 AM

So bad I posted it twice. LOL

-- Don K, (Houghton, Michigan)

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#13 posted 04-18-2015 06:51 PM

Not that bad an idea.
If you do make an offer make it LOW…...worst case scenario you will own an old empty box.
Best case scenario …....you may have some very good tools that you can use.
Whatever price you pay…....do not open it in front of your friend…....unless he is real close and you can either laugh or cry together.
Only spend as much as you can afford to loose.
People are willing to spend ONLY if they think they are getting real good value, that human nature.

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#14 posted 04-19-2015 06:30 AM

Don-
Where I came from that was called “Buying a pig in a poke.”

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#15 posted 04-19-2015 09:17 PM

I would never poke a pig, its just not polite.

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