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Forum topic by bonesbr549 posted 04-13-2015 11:39 PM 1071 views 1 time favorited 12 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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bonesbr549

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04-13-2015 11:39 PM

Well, I received my Lie-Nielsen Chisels a short while ago. I had not had the opportunity to get them out of the boxes till recently.

I wanted to do it right, so I sprang for the Veritas Mark II. I had some left over Christmas gift cards so what the heck. I have the original version, but always found getting it perfectly, square and keeping it through the micro bevel was really hard.

My sharpening medium was Norton water stones. I have a 1000/4000, and an 8000 finishing stone Norton lapping stone to flatten.

Out of the box the mark ii has some directions but very limited. Since my LN’s are at a 30 degree angle, I started with the default, configuration which i found confusing because there are two templates that show 30 degree angle. I started with the default, but found that it was very short(length of blade that extended from the jig). Being LN they were pretty dang flat out of the box and mostly polishing on the 8k was all that was required for most of the six I did over the week-end(4 left to go).

Absolutely no issues getting the backs flat, and the primary bevel done. The guide makes it real easy to make sure you are 90 degrees to the jig.

Now comes the issues part. First chisel was perfect, but the microbevel was skewed. In other words the micro bevel on one side was about 1/16 wide but on the opposite side, is was about 1/32 wide.

First thought was I let the chisel get out of square. checked and no not the issue. Backed off worked back through the primary bevel and did it a second time making sure it was square. Same problem.

Now I’m ticked. How can this be happening since it works through the primary bevel but screws up on the micro bevel. Could the roller be off?

I checked some online vids and blogs and found something interesting. Some were commenting on that if both sides of the pressure bar are not equal it can cause a slight lifting effect on one side causing the issue.

I checked and sure enough, it was tight, but one side seemed to be lower than the other and that would put more pressure on the one side of the chisel. I redid the whole thing being careful to keep them the same(left and right knobs) so that on the top of the chisel, equal pressure is applied across the whole chisel body.

I reran the chisel, and it appeared the problem was fixed. I have to say the chisel was extremely sharp, and a cross grain test, had a feather thin shaving off the end of a board (using the paring handle)

Moved on to the next one, and the problem came back. Now I know it’s got to be my technique. I went to youtube and watched some videos of the mark ii, and retried with a better technique, and it got much better.

By the time I got down to the 1/2” chisel, I had the technique down, and they were coming out perfect.

So final thoughts great tool, but you have to get use to it, and know the challenges based on the design issues. It will handle all from the smallest chisel, to the wide plane blades, but it will take a tad of getting use to it.

I can recommend it. I plan on doing a youtube video speaking to all the challenges and solutions i used so next time someone searches having the same issue, hopefully they won’t waste as much elbow grease and Norton stone grit as I did.

Cheers!

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#1 posted 04-13-2015 11:47 PM

Technique is everything with that jig. It’s a great tool but you have to pay careful attention.
Once I have things set up I take a few strokes on the stone and check to make sure the microbevel is perpendicular to the chisel side. Take a few more strokes and check again, making adjustments with pressure on the appropriate side as needed. The narrower the chisel the more frequently you need to check your progress.

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#2 posted 04-13-2015 11:55 PM

I’ve only had my one 1/2” bevel edge lie Nielsen for a couple day and I must say even after beating the hell out of it, that it will still shave hair off. I didn’t even lap the back because I’m scared.

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#3 posted 04-14-2015 12:07 AM

The Mark II pushed me into doing it by hand. Hand sharpening is not that difficult. I had the fear that only the select few could do it after hours of practice. It did not take me all that long to become good at it and I have saved lots of time by not having set up a jig. I still have it. Kind of like a security blanket.

-- Jerry

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bonesbr549

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#4 posted 04-14-2015 12:19 AM



The Mark II pushed me into doing it by hand. Hand sharpening is not that difficult. I had the fear that only the select few could do it after hours of practice. It did not take me all that long to become good at it and I have saved lots of time by not having set up a jig. I still have it. Kind of like a security blanket.

- Gerald Thompson

After spending hours doing my chisels this week-end, I think I could get to that, but was wondering how you do the microbevel to be consistent?

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#5 posted 04-14-2015 12:21 AM

Bones, I went through the same learning experience. I love my Mark I I and wouldn’t be without it. However, it’s a shame the tips and tricks from YouTube can’t be included in the guide.

Good post Bones. You get ☆☆☆☆☆

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#6 posted 04-14-2015 12:49 AM

bonesbr549,
Good conversation, thank you for starting it as well as the thoughtfulness and the effort you put into it. Good timing for me. I’m just about to sharpen my new LN chisel chisels. I have been using use the Mark I I for sharpening Planes, and chisels for about 6 years. I remember learning the technique to keep everything square pretty quickly . I also use the Shapton water stones (1,000, 4,000, 8,000 ) with lapping stone. I’ve been very happy with the results. Up till now I’ve also been using a Tormac wheel to bevel/cove the face and then sharpen the leading edge of the cove. Then I grind and polish the micro bevel on the leading edge. It’s what I was taught and has been my practice. This time however I’m going to experiment comparing bevel vs flat faces in terms of sharpness, durability and ease of sharpening. Just curious.

-- Ken

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#7 posted 04-14-2015 10:52 AM

Good review. For chisels like this, I wouldn’t trust myself to do them by hand either.

Question: Did you hollow grind the chisels before honing them? If no, I’d be interested to hear why not?

I tried hand honing for a while and discovered my bevels were gradually creeping and becoming inconsistent, so I wend back to a honing guide. Guess I just haven’t been willing to take the time to train myself well enough.

Isn’t it great to pull a blade out and not spend an hour flattening the back? To me, its worth some extra coin just for that, plus it tells me the blade was ground carefully and isn’t warped.

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#8 posted 04-14-2015 12:33 PM

I’m in the same boat as Jerry. I tried that jig for about a year and decided I would be better off sharpening by hand. I tried and tried to set it up right, but I had the exact same problem of not square micro bevels. I wasn’t impressed with it. I actually sold it here on LJs. The MKII is one of those divisive tools that many people love, but some people really hate. I must confess, I’m a hater. I find sharpening by hand or the $10 jig more effective. I’ve used both and prefer them over the MKII.

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bonesbr549

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#9 posted 04-14-2015 12:49 PM

Great conversation. I think once I got the hang of it, the speed to set it up was not bad at all. I will say the LN chisels may have something to do with it as they are pretty much on the money out of the box. The micro bevel is the booger in the woodpile. Now one stroke check two stoke check, and a couple more and its done.

Also, I fogot to mention whatch the pressure applied. I found the harder I pushed the less accurate I got. Let the guide and stone do it’s job. Helped on the forearms and elbows too.

Cheers all.

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#10 posted 05-13-2015 04:24 PM

What is this $10 jig I keep hearing about? link?

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#11 posted 05-13-2015 04:35 PM

Well done. I think this tool would serve me well. Good review and pointers.

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#12 posted 05-13-2015 04:39 PM

http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/03A21/Honing-Guide.aspx

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