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09-02-2007 10:58 PM

I am a broke single father of three wonderful kids so money is always scarce. I need decent tools, how does everyone feel about Grizzly tools? I have 10’ tablesaw which is easily the best saw i have ever owned but I can feel the waves of sweat-shop souls and sore underpaid bodies wafting from the beast. I need quality but at what cost?


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#1 posted 09-02-2007 11:14 PM

Hmmm. I’m pretty sure most brands are made in similar factories….. You could always buy are restore old industrial machines…

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#2 posted 09-02-2007 11:28 PM

Does anyone have any extensive experience with Grizzly tools? I recently ordered a lathe from them and I really hope I won’t regret it.

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#3 posted 09-02-2007 11:47 PM

Do you think I could find parts for old machines?

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#4 posted 09-03-2007 02:22 AM

True Wayne… When our bosses were in Taiwan (China) at the factory where they were going to make some things for us, they said they saw all sorts of saws from a variety of big power tool companies. I’m sure Grizzly was among the brands represented…. and if not, I’m sure that factory wasn’t far away.

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#5 posted 09-03-2007 02:32 AM

I have several Griz tools. They have been very good. Not made in china they are QC’d by USA mfgrs. Don’t haqve all the bels and whistles on the low end but is a good value.
Thanks Don

-- WOOD/DON (...one has the right to ones opinion but not the right to ones own facts...)

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#6 posted 09-03-2007 02:42 AM

I have a Grizzly bandsaw, jointer, jig saw, and oscillating sander. They are not the best machines in the world, but they have been sufficient for my needs. I’d much rather have all Powermatic or other expensive machinery, but I don’t have that kind of money.

I wouldn’t worry too much about the conditions which the Grizzly machinery were produced under. Just do like it says in the Bible “ask no questions for conscience sake (1 Cor 10:25).”

I bought a Sears drill press a few years ago thinking that I would have an American made product. I was wrong – it was made in Taiwan. Even my new Ridgid planer was made in China. Just buy the best equipment you can with the money you’ve got.

Actually, you can do a LOT of woodwork with just a table saw and some hand tools.

-- Tom, Surfside Beach, SC - Romans 8:28

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#7 posted 09-03-2007 04:00 AM

I appreciate the advice guys.
—Richard Dawkins

Tomfran, it is especially good to hear from someone who actually owns a few of these tools and can attest to their durability or lack thereof. I am giddy like a girl with excitement to get my lathe. My son and I, and hopefully my daughters as well, will be spending countless hours making big pieces of wood into small round ones! As far as the sweatshop thing goes you are right about what the bible says. However, I have often thought that the passage you chose to quote is why people are actually faithful and believe in god. See, I like to say that I am from Missouri, the “show me” state. This will undoubtedly raise a few hairs but the choice to ‘ask no question’ is, I believe, exactly why the world is in the state of affairs it is in.

As long as we are going to quote…Dawkins says, “Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.”

As you are all probably realizing at this point I am an avid atheist and truly believe, from what I have seen, read and heard, by what the evidence says, that religion is a large part of what is wrong with the world. Only a young and testosterone filled young man would truly believe that by blowing himself up in a crowd of people would earn him 40 virgins. “Not your religion” you say? There is little difference in them all; belief in a higher power for which there is no evidence, belief in an afterlife which for some reason is eternal and better then this life, belief in an omniscient and omnipotent god that intervenes in our lives for reasons good and bad (for which there is no evidence).

Anyway, I don’t intend to be argumentative at all. My greatest fear is that we are losing our ability to think critically in a world that desperately needs us to be open-minded and exhaustive in our search for the truth.

This is hardly the sight for advancing the pursuit of science and reason though so let’s butcher some wood!

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#8 posted 09-03-2007 04:03 AM

I appreciate the advice guys.
—Richard Dawkins

Tomfran, it is especially good to hear from someone who actually owns a few of these tools and can attest to their durability or lack thereof. I am giddy like a girl with excitement to get my lathe. My son and I and hopefully my daughters as well will be spending countless hours making big pieces of wood into small round ones! As far as the sweatshop thing goes you are right about what the bible says. However I have often thought that the passage you quoted is why people are actually faithful and believe in god. See, I like to say that I am from Missouri, the “show me” state. This will undoubtedly raise a few hairs but the choice to ‘ask no question’ is, I believe, exactly why the world is in the state of affairs it is in.

As long as we are going to quote…Dawkins says, “Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.

As you are all probably realizing at this point I am an avid atheist and truly believe, from what I have seen, read and heard, by what the evidence says, that religion is a large part of what is wrong with the world. Only a young and testosterone filled young man would truly believe that by blowing himself up in a crowd of people he would get 40 virgins. “Not your religion” you say? There is little difference in them all; belief in a higher power for which there is no evidence, belief in an afterlife which for some reason is eternal and better then this life, belief in an omniscient and omnipotent god that intervenes in our lives for reasons good and bad (for which there is no evidence).

Anyway, I don’t intend to be argumentative at all. My greatest fear is that we are losing our ability to think critically in a world that desperately needs us to be open-minded and exhaustive in our search for the truth.

This is hardly the sight for advancing the pursuit of science and reason though so let’s butcher some wood!

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#9 posted 09-03-2007 04:53 AM

To answer the question above. You can probably find parts for tools that there were a lot made. For example, I have seen unisaws on Craigs list for as little as $250. You just have to be quick. Also, if you know what you are looking for you can get a good used tool that is a couple of years old. For example, one of the jocks got a good Rigid planer a little while back.

Also Flea markets and such can be good sources for old hand tools. Many of these tools are better than what you can buy in the big box stores these days…

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#10 posted 09-03-2007 05:07 AM

Good point Wayne,
I suppose auctions would be a great place to find used machines. I live in an underpopulated region though so I wonder how often I will be able to find any. I will let everyone know what I think of the lathe. A Unisaw is a dream machine! I imagine I would be required to pick it up, but it would be well worth the trip to own one.

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#11 posted 09-03-2007 05:19 AM

Hello Richard

Nothing wrong with Grizzley tools in my mind. I have Grizzley tools and have given me many years of service.

I have a friend in Milwaukee who has Grizzley everything. Sort of a Grizzley snob >grin<

I’ve been to the Grizzley show rooms in both Springfield, Mo and the old one in Memphis. The items on display met my inspections and I have over 30 years experience as a Quality professional.

Regards
DAN

-- keeping myself entertained ... Humor and fun lubricate the brain

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#12 posted 09-03-2007 04:39 PM

Grizzly USED to be poor quality. I have friends who have more than one Grizzly tool – tab;e saw, bandsaw and jointer.. I have not had the need to buy heavy tools since the change but I would have no qualms at this point.
We met and spoke with the president of Grizzly at IWF in Atlanta last year. He is very concerned about promoting the business and providing a quality product. I have heard nothing but good reports about customer service.

-- No piece is cut too short. It was meant for a smaller project.

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#13 posted 09-03-2007 09:03 PM

I got my lathe! Apparently it had come sometime last week and the shipper had put in my shed. I set it up last night and it is a beast! The gouges and skews i ordered are solid and well built as well. I was up until nearly four am working on it and got a few things turned. Nothing usefull by any means but still cool to show my friends and family.

Xavier, I have one of their tablesaws as well and couldnt be happier with it. I had ordered a finish sander from them sometime back and was very dissaapointed with the quality. Seems as if things have changed!

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#14 posted 09-03-2007 09:05 PM

I think the general consensus is to stay away from their hand tools. People do not seem to have good experiences with them.

Oh, and can you post some photos of your new toy?

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#15 posted 09-03-2007 09:09 PM

Dan,

My former father-in-law was my woodworking mentor for many years, taught me most of what i know, now that i am sadly divorced I have no one to get advice from or show me what I could do better. I cant tell you guys how much I appreciate finding this sight and how i look forward to many years of friendship and comraderie. I honestly hope i can meet you all someday!

You seem to be vary active on this sight. Do you or anybody else have a frog carving pattern you can email me? I cannot find one anywhere.

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