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04-10-2015 02:47 AM

I’m in the market for an upgrade for my table saw which currently is a super cheap craftsman evolv (actually so cheap they couldn’t afford to put the “e” on the end to spell evolve correctly). I found these but don’t really know much about them and could use some opinions on whether it’s a good buy or I should keep looking.
1. http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/tld/4887694952.html
2. http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/tls/4961461675.html (said he’d take $400)
3. http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/tld/4887694952.html
4. Is a fairly good drive about 6 hours but on the way to my sister’s house so I could make a weekend out of it. http://lancaster.craigslist.org/tls/4945021397.html

Hopefully the links work and any help would be appreciated. Thanks!


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#1 posted 04-10-2015 03:00 AM

any chance you could swing this one? great value for that price range. None of what you linked to would excite me.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-Hybrid-Table-Saw/G0771

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#2 posted 04-10-2015 03:02 AM

The older 1 1/2 HP delta tableaws are great saws. $400 for the 2nd one seems a little high but I don’t know the market value of them right now in your area so it might be in line. They do have the steel table extensions where mine has the cast iron extension on the left and the extension table on the right but I don’t know if that makes a big difference or not. I also have the UniFence that was a upgrade when I bought my saw new. The main thing I don’t like about the saw is the blade guard really is a poor design overall but other than that it’s a good solid saw that will do a lot.

I tend to remember when I bought it new around 15 years ago the saw with cast iron extension, extension table and Unifense was about $700. I have gotten a lot of good use out of mine and it’s still running great.

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#3 posted 04-10-2015 03:37 AM

I was/am looking at that grizzly but all the reviews said that the fence is pretty bad, then add in $100 shipping. The next step up has a pretty good fence but then it’s quickly getting out of my price range. I know they aren’t the greatest saws but I’m starting to get fed up with my current saws fence constantly moving sometimes it moves during the initial cut. So at this point I’m about to buy anything but I guess the hunt continues!!! Thanks for the advice fellas.

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#4 posted 04-10-2015 03:45 AM

I’d take the powermatic before the others because of the extras. That being said, igot a unisaw for $700 with 52” rip beis in a tool dry area. I think you could pick up a cabinet saw for $600 easy. I’d vote on the powermatic if you aren’t interested in a cabinet saw but I think those all are priced a bit high.

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#5 posted 04-10-2015 04:04 AM

The first (and third, I think—it looks like the same saw) is overpriced IMO. I especially dislike that type of fence and those pipe rails. A T-square fence is so much better in every way.

But I wouldn’t give more than $250 for any of those saws (sold my Rockwell clone with a T-square fence for $150, as I recall. Admittedly, it wasn’t very pretty).

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#6 posted 04-10-2015 04:24 AM


I was/am looking at that grizzly but all the reviews said that the fence is pretty bad, then add in $100 shipping. The next step up has a pretty good fence but then it s quickly getting out of my price range. I know they aren t the greatest saws but I m starting to get fed up with my current saws fence constantly moving sometimes it moves during the initial cut. So at this point I m about to buy anything but I guess the hunt continues!!! Thanks for the advice fellas.

- TrentO

I just bought the G0771 saw. The fence isn’t bad at all. It’s not the best thing in the world, so I plan on eventually replacing it with a T2, but it’s a very solid saw. And it doesn’t have the alignment issues that the 715P has. So, buy the 771 and upgrade the fence for about the same price as the 715, but get a better saw out of it. The stock fence is solid, holds it’s alignment (unlike my old saw where I had to check the fence at the front and rear of the blade every time), and moves just fine. It’s just not an amazing fence is all.

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#7 posted 04-10-2015 07:29 AM

Jmartel, was the grizzly hard to set up? I heard it doesn’t come with a power cord which seemed a little strange to me but I guess you’d be able to pick how long you wanted it to be even though I’d imagine the shorter the better. Does it come prewired for 110 or 220? I will say it does look pretty sitting in your shop!!

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#8 posted 04-10-2015 09:32 AM

Your whole area is plagued with some decent saws that are overpriced….they might be setting their prices based on the others they see in CL. None have a true riving knife, none have a great fence, none have a warranty, all have a motor hanging off the back. It can’t hurt to make a reasonable offer on any of them….don’t be afraid to walk and give them something to think about. Once you get into the $400 range with any of those, something like the new Delta 36-725 starts to have some appeal.

How far are you from this Jet? It at least has solid cast wings. http://mansfield.craigslist.org/tls/4971463299.html

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#9 posted 04-10-2015 09:48 AM

I’m not far from it at all but my only hang up is just like every other woodworker I’d imagine is I want a saw that I can have for years and not regret it. As many people say their table saw is like the foundation of their house and my table saw currently is hindering my progression in woodworking so it’s very hard to do things that a table saw would be able to do very easily. So if I bought a used saw for $400 would it be worth it to just save and get that grizzly g0771? Like you said have something with a warranty and a little piece of mind. I also agree that all the used saws in my area always seem to be in the high side. I don’t have 220 service in my shop and hadn’t planned on installing it so even if I found a unisaw or something of the sort for $600-$800 it’d be too much for my space limitations. I did find a reconditioned ridgid r4512 for $325 at a factory tool outlet store about 3 hours away from me but I’ve noticed that they are love em or hate em, work great or had tons of problems.

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#10 posted 04-10-2015 10:09 AM

There is no reason you can’t get a saw that will last you for decades (or a lifetime) at your price point or even less. The problem is, you will have to be patient and keep a close eye on what becomes available. You have a saw that works for you now, so you have time on your side. Sit back and watch the market for a few months or more, and you will get an idea of what to look for. Resist the ‘gotta have it now’ temptation and you will be rewarded many times over once that good deal stumbles across your path. It’s hard for a lot of people to do, and they wind up paying much more for much less.

Cheers,
Brad

PS: Don’t limit your search to CL. Garage/Estate sales, local auctions, friends/relatives word of mouth and many other places can hold some real gems as well.

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#11 posted 04-10-2015 10:16 AM

I have the ridgid portable, i think it is the 4510. Sometimes as low as $400 at home depot, usually $500. New, with Ridgid’s warranty. Something to consider also. Its on a nice folding cart, the fence is pretty nice, and i haven’t really had any problems with mine. (Well, my first one was hit by a car, but that’s another story).

As to your question on saving for the Grizzly…Grizzly always seems to be more tool for the money. At least to me. But the drawback is you’ve got to put it together yourself, and it may not have the spit-shine of fancier makes. But it seems to be a higher class of saw than those others so it would seem you’d be getting something for the extra money.

-Brian

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#12 posted 04-10-2015 10:21 AM

The ABCs of Table Saws

The fence on the G0771 doesn’t look any worse than the fences on any of the used saws in your area, and it does have some advantages….cabinet mounted trunnions, full enclosure, two solid cast wings, hybrid design, warranty, true riving knife. The few reports from owners I’ve read, actually rate the fence slightly better than what I would have expected. I have no way of knowing what that price increase does to your budget plans, but the saw itself looks to be a clear step up.

This Hitachi isn’t exactly a world beater, but it’s a solid full size saw that’s at least priced right:
http://columbus.craigslist.org/tls/4970157123.html

Here’s another that’s at least a full size saw with a decent fence at a fair price:
http://dayton.craigslist.org/tls/4936734929.html

Similarly, these older Emerson made Craftsman saws have the basics of a good saw…the fence isn’t good, but it’s priced where a better fence (like a Delta T2 or T2) can be added. Parts are everywhere for these saws. http://dayton.craigslist.org/tls/4968315759.html

If you don’t mind putting some TLC into an older saw, there’s an old DeWalt full size cast iron saw that looks like the Clausing design. They’re asking $200, which allows you to put a better fence on it….they might take less too. Could be worth a look. http://columbus.craigslist.org/tls/4965682412.html

These pics aren’t of that saw, but are similar models to give you a better idea of what they look like or can look like:

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#13 posted 04-10-2015 10:25 AM

TrentO -

I’m not the end all of ww’ing machines, but I’ve bought quite a few both new and used and done quite a bit of due diligence for each purchase. So I offer my opinion as one who has been in your shoes before.

The comment one poster made about the TS being the foundation of your shop is absolutely correct. Keeping this in mind, if your goal is a higher level of ww’ing, then you should take this to heart and either have the patience to save up more money, or keep looking for a better used saw.

Couple things to consider the first is you will only see why a couple posters are recommending a cabinet saw if you get one. Second, IMO most of the used ww’ing equipment on CL is overpriced by 25% – 100%. Personally, I wouldn’t give over $300 for any of those saws. There is nothing magic about the name. Delta, Jet and Powermatic are basically the same saw. Grizzly is close behind.

Third, I’ve bought enough used equipment to know you’re always gonna find something minor (or major) either wrong or missing because there is no real way of throughly checking a machine out until you start using it and stressing it. If you’re lucky all that’s missing is the owners manual.

Back to the saw:

The difference between the type of TS you’re looking at and a cabinet saw or even a hybrid is substiantial.

Not only from a power aspect, but the heavier trunnions and weight give stability which translates into less vibration and more accurate cuts. For this reason alone I would never buy a saw with flimsy pressed steel extensions.

Of course the fence system is crucial, but in this regard, nowadays even the contractor saws have pretty decent fences.

About 20 years ago I made a huge jump, going from a cheap Craftsman saw with a disaster for a fence up to a full on cabinet saw (Jet Xacta). It was like going from a Cessna to a Lear Jet and I have never regretted spending the money ($1600 then).

My recommendation is barring the ability to spend/save $2K+ for a new cabinet saw, then either look for a used cabinet saw in the $7-800 range or save up a few 100 more and go for something like the Grizzly hybrid.

Oh, and by the way, don’t wait on the 220.
Anything over 2HP is better off on 220.
So go ahead and get it in because I have a feeling you’re gonna need it!! ;-)

Good luck!

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#14 posted 04-10-2015 11:34 AM

you guys are right I should just save and wait for the right one but that damn “get that one get it get it” feeling is hard to fight off!!! I have a couple $100 right now but I’ll probably end up waiting. Thanks again everyone for the advice and giving your honest opinions really appreciate it.

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#15 posted 04-10-2015 11:39 AM

The ABCs of Table Saws

The fence on the G0771 doesn t look any worse than the fences on any of the used saws in your area, and it does have some advantages….cabinet mounted trunnions, full enclosure, two solid cast wings, hybrid design, warranty, true riving knife. The few reports from owners I ve read, actually rate the fence slightly better than what I would have expected. I have no way of knowing what that price increase does to your budget plans, but the saw itself looks to be a clear step up.

This Hitachi isn t exactly a world beater, but it s a solid full size saw that s at least priced right:
http://columbus.craigslist.org/tls/4970157123.html

- knotscott

Not trying to step on your toes Knotscott but stay away from the Hitachi Trent, this model is no longer manufactured, I own this model, bought it brand new during it’s time and has been a good saw for many years but the blade rotating gears are plastic, upon reviews they are known to break that’s why I never rotate the blade on it.

I think it’s important to ask what type of gears it has before purchasing any saw and anything else that might possible go wrong with it down the line, it was a lesson learned for me.

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