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Forum topic by redSLED posted 04-05-2015 11:26 PM 2251 views 0 times favorited 17 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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redSLED

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04-05-2015 11:26 PM

Topic tags/keywords: canadian tire maximum brand miter saw mitre saw csms compound sliding miter saw slider kapex festool bosch axial

Fellow Lumberjocks, for the edification of our readers (and for my curiousity), have any of you personally used or inspected closely the below MAXIMUM-branded (Canada only – Canadian Tire in-house brand) compound sliding miter saw (CSMS) recently made available 1-2 months ago? Any thoughts regarding this saw are also welcome.

The main reason I bring this up is that, as far as I know, this is the only CSMS that has copied Festool’s Kapex “rail-forward” design – which allows the rear of the saw to be placed right up to the wall – a significant and welcome feature for tight workshop spaces.

Up to now, only Festool’s Kapex and Bosch’s Axial-Glide saws were the only two CSMS that could boast this “right-up-to-the-wall” space-saving feature. Non-promotion regular price-wise, the MAXIMUM 10” CSMS is running about $150 less than the Bosch 10” (Lowe’s) and about $1250 less than Festool’s 10” Kapex (Atlas Tool & Machinery). Though it is priced now at $599.99, I predict Canadian Tire will sale price the MAXIMUM CSMS to about $100-$125 less several times throughout the year. Warranty-wise I was disappointed to read on Canadian Tire’s website for the MAXIMUM 10” and 12” CSMS: “This product carries a special warranty. Please see your local Canadian Tire store for details.” This statement falls short of the warranties currently given on other Canadian Tire MAXIMUM and Mastercraft brand power tools: “This product carries a 5 year exchange warranty redeemable at any Canadian Tire store.”

MAXIMUM 10” CSMS:
http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/maximum-dual-bevel-sliding-mitre-saw-10-in-0556767p.html#.VSG2ZWbyo7A

MAXIMUM 12” CSMS:
(http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/maximum-dual-bevel-sliding-mitre-saw-12-in-0556768p.html#.VSGsyGbyo7B)

Personal disclaimers:
1. Yes, I am aware that Festool and Bosch are in an “expectedly higher quality product” league than the Canadian-branded Asian-made MAXIMUM product.
2. I do not work for or represent Canadian Tire, Festool, Bosch or any of their affiliates or product partners.

-- Perfection is the difference between too much and not enough.


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Kaleb the Swede

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#1 posted 04-05-2015 11:47 PM

http://www.craftsman.com/shc/s/p_10155_12602_00940753000P?sid=IDxCMDFx20140801x001&KPID=00940753000&kpid=00940753000

Craftsman did it too. I saw it at sears. Only 250. If I replace my non slider anytime soon I was thinking of this for space

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#2 posted 04-06-2015 12:00 AM

Thanks, Kaleb the Swede. $250 USD is a great price if they’re still available.

Rear space-saving CSMS models – so that’s 4 makes without rear sliding rails.

Dang it – I just searched and COULD NOT FIND the Craftsman ‘front slider’ CSMS model on the Canadian Craftsman site: http://www.sears.ca/catalog/craftsman-bench-stationary/13714-100000398.

-- Perfection is the difference between too much and not enough.

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#3 posted 04-06-2015 12:02 AM

I guess then Festool does not have an international patent on the front rail design.

-- Perfection is the difference between too much and not enough.

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#4 posted 04-06-2015 02:18 AM

My hitachi I can put against a wall.

-- mrg

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#5 posted 04-06-2015 02:29 AM

I haven no knowledge of this saw, but I did see this thread the other day.

http://lumberjocks.com/topics/90330

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#6 posted 04-06-2015 03:39 AM

Rail forward is nice but that’s one of the least important perks of owning a Kapex in my opinion.

Still, it does seem to prove that Festool leads the way with improved features and everyone else takes note and follows suit.

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#7 posted 04-06-2015 04:08 AM



Rail forward is nice but that s one of the least important perks of owning a Kapex in my opinion.

Still, it does seem to prove that Festool leads the way with improved features and everyone else takes note and follows suit.

- JAAune

Curious… What do you think the important perks are with the Kapex?

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#8 posted 04-06-2015 04:31 AM

Dust collection, accuracy and best of all, the bevel rotation mechanism that permits fine adjustments to the angle from the front of the saw.

-- See my work at http://remmertstudios.com and http://altaredesign.com

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#9 posted 04-11-2015 07:23 PM



Rail forward is nice but that s one of the least important perks of owning a Kapex in my opinion.

Still, it does seem to prove that Festool leads the way with improved features and everyone else takes note and follows suit.

- JAAune

I believe the Hitachi C12LSH was introduced in 2006. The Kapex was ‘07 or ‘08, correct?

-- Brad, Oregon- The things that come to those who wait, may be the things left by those who got there first.

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#10 posted 04-12-2015 02:12 AM



Dust collection, accuracy and best of all, the bevel rotation mechanism that permits fine adjustments to the angle from the front of the saw.

- JAAune

Yep and laser both sides of blade love mine

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#11 posted 04-12-2015 03:19 AM


Rail forward is nice but that s one of the least important perks of owning a Kapex in my opinion.

Still, it does seem to prove that Festool leads the way with improved features and everyone else takes note and follows suit.

- JAAune

I believe the Hitachi C12LSH was introduced in 2006. The Kapex was 07 or 08, correct?

- blockhead

Not sure. I don’t remember when it came out. We didn’t have one until some time after release.

-- See my work at http://remmertstudios.com and http://altaredesign.com

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#12 posted 04-16-2015 12:57 AM

Not familiar with this saw, but very experienced with other mastercraft and maximum tools. Money would be better spent elsewhere, especially since it doesn’t have the “lifetime” extra hassle warranty.

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#13 posted 04-16-2015 06:05 AM

^ Agreed, a competitively weak warranty can be the deal breaker with an expensive power tool like a CSMS.

. . .

From blockhead above, ”I believe the Hitachi C12LSH was introduced in 2006. The Kapex was ‘07 or ‘08, correct?

So after some Googling, it looks like Hitachi’s C12LSH “compact slide system” front rail design was officially available in August 2005:
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20050816005061/en/Hitachi-Pioneers-Sliding-Compound-Miter-Landscape#.VS9Jvmbyo7A

And Festool’s “rail forward” design was officially available in July 2008:
http://blog.festoolusa.com/post/2008/07/01/Kapex-Now-Available!.aspx

-- Perfection is the difference between too much and not enough.

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#14 posted 04-16-2015 01:05 PM

Red,I do not have that Maximum SCMS but Canadian tire Maximum tools are generally speaking more robust and better quality than the Mastercraft line,A good example would be Gearwrench ratchets and sockets .they are sold everywhere under the same name(Gearwrench) and Canadian tire is now selling them under the Maximum brand .
I usually stay away from both Maximum and Craftsman brands but if I ever desperately needed to buy a tool from Canadian tire ,I would first consider the Maximum brand.

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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#15 posted 04-17-2015 02:09 PM

Thanks Red. I was sure the Hitachi was first, but didn’t know it was by almost 3 years.

-- Brad, Oregon- The things that come to those who wait, may be the things left by those who got there first.

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