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Forum topic by bbasiaga posted 04-05-2015 02:27 AM 1603 views 0 times favorited 20 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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04-05-2015 02:27 AM

Topic tags/keywords: jointer

Time for a new jointer! I’ve been working off a 6” bench top model by Shop Fox. It has really been good to me. However, I’m starting to see how th 6” width is a limitation, and the short beds won’t help with some of my next projects.

I have the ablity now to go to 240V in the garage, so that will allow me to get to an 8” jointer. I’ve been looking at the grizzly 8” models as they are the best value for the dollar it seems. I can’t decide if the extra $150 or so for the paralellogram beds is worth it or not. I have tended with my current jointer to set it up and leave it alone (i.e. don’t change the depth of cut very often). I know the paralellogram beds also make it easier to set up the first time, but after that what else do I get from it?

The bed on the parelellogram model is almost 4” longer too, but that is almost a negative for me. My shop is limited to a 1 car garage, and the regular model at 6’ long is already going to have to be crammed in there. I was actually looking pretty hard at the Jet short bed (~60”) model, but at $500 more than the grizzly that is going to be hard to swing.

-Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.


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#1 posted 04-05-2015 02:42 AM

ehh. I think you answered your own question. Space limitations and extra $. Parallelogram beds are way easier to adjust but even on dovetailed ways, when it’s done it’s pretty much done for a long time.

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#2 posted 04-05-2015 04:50 AM

I had a Jet with dovetail ways. Due to a combination of the inherent limitation of dovetail ways, and the tiny gib locking screws, the tables needed to be adjusted once in a while. Sometimes you have to shim the tables with brass shims to get everything coplanar.
Then I upgraded to a 8” Delta DJ-20 parallelogram jointer. It is very similar to the Grizzly 490. With this style jointer, there are off-center cogs on each corner of the tables. You can really dial in for coplanar, and once you do it stays put.
I think it is well worth the cost.
Good luck.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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#3 posted 04-05-2015 04:57 AM

Have only had to shim the tables on one jointer… and it was 60+ years old. If you are not going to be changing the depth of cut often, or at all, then it’s never going to go out of alignment once set. I don’t think I’ve ever moved the infeed table on my current jointer in the 5+ years I’ve had it.

Cheers,
Brad

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#4 posted 04-05-2015 11:39 AM

I see no need for them, especially if they cost more. I adjust my jointer (an 8” Jet) about twice a year, otherwise it’s stays where it’s at. I’ve never needed to align the tables either. The parallelogram jointers have a smaller gap around the cutter head that I like, but can’t see spending extra on it. Now, if there is no cost difference….maybe.

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#5 posted 04-05-2015 11:18 PM

I too have limited space in my garage but, I would always opt for the longer bed on a jointer. I have not yet learned to tune my dj-15 up yet so I don’t know the ease of it yet, and I couldn’t say which style is better. It looks to me that the Grizzly products have the edge out there on the woodworking products. Their prices are fair for what you are getting by today’s standards due to no distributor, just Grizzly and thats how it should be anyways. I’m disappointed with some of Powermatic’s products being made in Taiwan and still charging high end price which its not anymore , all in all it’s your choice. Have fun and be safe

-- Deano

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#6 posted 04-05-2015 11:23 PM

For $150 I would go with the longer bed parallelogram jointer. The alignment and quality will be better. Grizzly is a good brand.

-- "I love it when a plan comes together" John "Hannibal" Smith

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#7 posted 04-05-2015 11:50 PM

Brian – Yes is the answer.

I looked into this closely and that video where the Grizzly techs adjust the tables for co-planer is awesome. That is the only thing I wish I did have coming tomorrow. I almost bought that jointer 2 weeks ago. Between their lousy tech-sales and the uncertainty of their want-to-be helical head, I could not do it.

Talked to two guys who own it. They both say it was a good machine but both had 4 or 5 things that had to be done to get it right. That is too much trouble for a new toy in my opinion.

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#8 posted 04-06-2015 12:05 AM

What kind of things did they have to do?

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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#9 posted 04-06-2015 12:23 AM

I had to shim the outfeed table of a 50+ year old Davis and wells jointer and shim the bearing housing of jet 8” straight knife jointer.

Shimming the table wasn’t fun but once it was done I never had to mess with it again.

No doubt the parallelogram beds take a fraction of the time to adjust but once either are done, it’ll be a rare occasion when you have to adjust them again. Or so I’ve found.

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#10 posted 04-06-2015 04:53 PM

Brian – Sent you a direct message. Copied the comments I had been given. Really not all bad so hopefully if works out for you. Tools are fun.

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#11 posted 04-06-2015 05:40 PM

I agree with lots of comments above. I have learned that I really despise setting up machines, so to me a parallelogram helical head jointer is the next tool on the list. It basically does away with blade changes and table adjustments. I know you don’t have to do it often, but when you do, dovetail ways suck big time. Mine sucked so bad that I just gave up and live with the inconsistency. If it were me, I would go parallelogram all the way.

And hey, if the tables are too long, just crosscut them on the table saw! It’s only cast iron… ;)

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#12 posted 04-06-2015 06:01 PM

Well, quick call to Grizzly and I’ve got at least 2 months to wait for either machine (out of stock). Guess that gives me some time to think about it. The short bed Jet still looks intriguing. But for the same price I can get the fully tricked out grizzly with helical cutter and parallelogram beds…that makes it a hard buy.

Anything else I should look at?

-Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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#13 posted 04-06-2015 06:06 PM

Maybe a used jet and buy a helical head separately? I picked up 7-8 year old Jet 8” for 700$. If you have the cash then grizzly with parallelogram with helical all day long.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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bbasiaga

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#14 posted 04-06-2015 06:13 PM

I have been shopping used. Doesn’t seem like there are many woodworkers in these parts. But I will continue to keep an eye out.

-Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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#15 posted 04-07-2015 12:48 AM

here a nice jointer but, I would guess Oliver has curcumed to selling th imports under their name too and I think it will be too pricey for what it is. http://www.olivermachinery.net/index.php?node=machines&model=4230

-- Deano

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