Posting Limits

Hey James
I would suggest re posting I understand feeling like your project was overwhelmed buy some ones listing of a number of projects ,but limiting how many projects can be listed at once might mean less projects all together.

-- Jim from Heirloom Woodshop Southern Oregon

Good point Jim, I hadn’t thought of that. I would hate to have it cause less projects all together.

13 in a row seems a little too much, though, in my opinion. A trend i noticed was that its mostly new members that do it, those who have a lot of projects already built. Maybe a temporary restriction for new members?

-- James, Bluffton, IN

James I agree with what you are saying. There should be a limit for posting new projects when you first sign up. I think people get excited to join and share, and post everything they have all at once.

However, I think if you have design questions about a project and you would like to get feedback maybe you can post the finished project as usual, but then post a forum topic in the design section. That way people will see it as a question, not just a project. Honestly, I don’t read most peoples info on their project. I just look at the pic as I am skimming, and comment if I feel like it.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

another good point, kolwdwrkr, thank you. thats a good idea

-- James, Bluffton, IN

i just post something once a week or so , so as to strech it out a little .
also post at a time of day that my buds can get to see it too.
like many things in life ,
this site has it’s ” groups ”
some are serios profesionals ,
some hobbyists ,
allways some new , and ancjious (?) to post and find their nich .
as jim said , reposting works ,
i also coment or thank those that comment on my blogs ,
and that brings me back up in the pulse page when things are slow .
frankly , this site is so popular ,i don’t know if control is worth it .
in the end it settles down again , and we go on >

-- david ,new mexico ,allheart

I totally agree with you James. This has happened since the beginning but never anywhere near the level it’s being lately. The problem is that this ought to come naturally from the members, just as a mesure of respect towards the rest of the community. It’s the same thing in real life, you just don’t walk into a party and monopolize all conversations without asking… or you shouldn’t!

-- Jojo, shopless in Kyoto · http://www.japanese-woodworking-tools.com/ · http://twitter.com/japanesetools

If you want your project to pop up on the first page, just add a comment yourself.

Every time a comment is made it moves to the top.

Just say, Thanks for looking, or something.

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

I agree that something needs to be done. This happened a few days ago too. I’m sure after these guys have been a member for a while and realize how stuff works on here, they feel bad for having done it, so I don’t think anyone does it more than once, but with so many new members, this could potentially happen daily. I know I have totally missed projects because they were bumped from the home page almost immediately after they were posted. I’ve learned to look a little deeper on the projects page now, but I’m in favor of limiting to a couple projects a day. I disagree with Jim. If someone can’t wait another day to post a couple of projects so they decide not to post at all, then they have serious issues.

-- Dale Manning, Carthage, NY

If enough people read this thread, they might get the picture, & try not abusing our privileges here.

Most of us don’t want to be a ROAD HOG!

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

thanks everyone, glad to hear from you. I also agree that it is not done in spite, just from excitement. which says a lot about this site. if people are excited about it, thats great!

-- James, Bluffton, IN

I agree with all said so far….I do not think ANYONE is trying to take over and bury others work…but like was said, is just excitement about finding a great place to share ones work with others who can appreciate it. But I also can see why some would be aggravated when they post a new project and it is buried with in minutes. I have a bad habit of just “Scanning” the post,projects and blogs…and while I will hit the back or “Next button to look at the last 15 projects or blogs….I normally do not go back any further.

I never really thought about this or that it was even a problem until the other night when I saw a project that had been posted…and about ten Min’s. later went to show my wife and it was gone…not just off the front page…but off of the last 15.

To those who’s work is buried like this….I apologize and will start looking further back…there is WAY to many nice projects that are posted to over look…and I throughly enjoy looking at ALL of them even if I do not post on all of them.

One of the BEST things about L/J’s to me is the projects…I enjoy looking at other craftsman/craftswomen’s work…to see what and how they do certain things…and then file those ideas away for later.

-- Don S.E. OK

I post as I build which is typically a project or two a week – I find it not interesting when someone posts multi-year old things that by their own admission there was only marginal involvement to begin with.

-- rob

This has been brought up before a couple of times, and it’s a pet peeve of mine also. I’d like to see at least a suggestion of a one-project-per-day posting limit.

No one is intentionally hogging space, but it is kind of disappointing to post a project and have it bumped off the first page right away.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

I like Charlie’s suggestion. 1 per day would be a good flow. But they still move off the page.

-- What happens in the workshop stays in the workshop. No wait that doesn't sound right. Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

posting projects on the main page of the website is unique. the host has allotted space for three projects, on a rotating basis. if it were me, if i ruled the world, there would be no pictures of projects on the first page. you would hit a tab and go to a projects page that has say 15 or 20 projects shown. oh, wait, this site already has that. i think some egos are bruised more than worrying about getting comments. i know some are thinking “i spent hundreds of hours and $$$ to make this beautiful furniture set and some guy bumped me with a wooden spoon”. sorry don’t hate me because i have an opinion.

although i will be sympathetic by saying, i agree with posters from previous threads that are fed up with people who post a project and say basically “look at me, i make this gizmo last thursday” and that’s the last you hear from them till the next time.

-- david roberts, houston area, "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but that has never been a problem for me."

If Martin is listening , one post a day seems to be a fair consensus

-- rob

My view is when you have numerous projects think before you post all of them we all understand how easy it is to go full on we are all proud of what we do we just need to be more considerate of others and i think that we all are abit guilty of doing the same when we first started on LJ’s so i think we need to be patient with our new friends on here they will learn with time

Just my two pence worth

Andy

-- cut it saw it scrap it

The problem isn’t people posting multiple projects but spending a hour or so “greeting” people on their profile page every single day. “Welcome to Lumber Jocks” takes up the whole of the front page on the Pulse.
It is the same few people who do it and they seem to be training other “post counters” to do the same thing.
It is different when some one new signs up but these people “comment” on members profiles that have been here for months, even years. This is total nonsense and is nothing more than post count boosting, no matter how those people try and rationalize it, that is all it is, was and will ever be.

And while I’m at it, how about not commenting in posts that are 1-2-3-4 and 500 days old.( I have seen one that was 785 days old) It does nothing but bring an old post to the top and encourage others who do not check the topic’s age to comment on it also.

I don’t post much and I don’t complain at all, but this kind of nonsense makes me leave here and read something else every morning, and before long I will not even bother to check in to see a page full of “Welcomes” to old members.

If any meaningful changes to the forum are made then having greetings made to profiles not add to post counts would be the best thing…fact is, I would wager that almost no one would even bother to “Welcome” any one to the site after two days.

-- .

Hay BroDave…you can edit that stuff all out so you don’t get it on the pulse. I kinda like the tradition, but I don’t see it on my pulse page.

And folks if things keep growing here the one post a day will still not keep your project on the front page. Can you figure what 100 lumberjocks posting only one project a day will look like on the home page. You will be lucky to have it up for an hour. Those days are not far off. So maybe we don’t even need to worry about this issue.

-- http://www.woodsongsfurniture.com

What are the stats now 30 projects a day? Heck 300 projects a day is maybe less than a year down the road.

-- http://www.woodsongsfurniture.com

Good point Dennis.

I always chuckle when this topic comes up and read everyone’s views, I can see the point in each side, which tells me there is no right or wrong way to go.

-- "You get what you inspect, not what you expect"

BroDave…..i think i get your meaning but just sometimes its nice to see the old post we dont get to see all posts because of the time difference so things get missed but yes saying welcome to all all and sundry maybe we could have a welcome forum so all the newbes if they want to say hi to everyone they can do it there one for martin to look at maybe ….........

Andy

-- cut it saw it scrap it

I Agree 110% I think there should be a limit whether your new or old its out of courtesy & respect for other members . (I also understand that this is probably not an intentional act by the person posting ).
Its not like the world is coming to an end today (I hope not anyways and if it does I doubt I’m going to run to Ljs to see what people posted before we all depart this world….{:o)

I also think it would keep these spammers from posting so much cr-p in the blog Etc. section-s.

Jim I really don’t think there will be any less projects posted, But I do think there will be alot of happy LJs members!

To me its very clear whats right & wrong = the Right thing is to have courtesy & respect for others .

This topic should be forwarded to Martin.

-- Rj's Woodworks,San Jose & Weed Ca,

wow did i open a can of worms or what? anywho, good discussion everyone, lots of good points here on both sides of the fence.

prehaps the answer is fitting more projects on the front page, or smaller thumbnails (but not too small im half blind in one eye and cant see out of the other)

-- James, Bluffton, IN

My two cents:
I agree with the concensus..I think there needs to be some sort of posting limit /per day, for at least the project section. I too have been not just bumped, but cleanly place kicked off the front page and into the 3rd or 4th page by a new member posting everything he has built since Jr high wood shop. Not a big deal but a bummer…

As far as Bro Dave’s comment about not commenting on older posts…I like to sit at the homepage and “roll the dice” and see the projects that come up…sometimes it’s a really old one but if I like it I am going to comment on it no matter how old it is…and I don’t consider it post count boosting either…

Good point Dennis…thats what it will eventually come to with the way membership on here is growing..a one project post every other day will still only leave you on the front page for a very short time!

-- David, South Windsor, CT "I love the smell of sawdust in the morning"

that’s a valid question James, no need to worry about flame-war. however – Dennis made a good point which I agree with – even with 1 post per day, if 10 people post at the same time – most of them will be “kicked off the front page” tough luck. so I don’t see any reason to go overboard and limit anybody from posting.

I do have the same pet peeve as you do though – I hate it when I post something, and a minute later someone comes along and posts 10 posts all at the same time, and “takes over” the front page.

a good suggestion as was mentioned here is – if you actually have a question, or want feedback – you can always start a forum thread with the question, and link to your project – this being in a forum post would actually yield more responses with answers and feedback then a project would.

-- When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

One way that could help solve some of the problem, would be to breakdown projects into categories.

Like tables, chairs, jigs, rustic, modern, architectural, carvings, & more.

Blogs could be done the same way.

A kind of filter that you could go to for your favorite interests.

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

I’m kind of a newbie, since I’m still 20 days short of a year, so I leave decisions like this to the ones who have made this site what it is. I have on a couple of occasions been guilty of posting 3 or 4 projects in a day. Just seems like I get around to shooting them a few at a time, not that I planned it that way.

Here’s my two cents worth: I really like this site just as it is. Try to find another site with this much expertise available to answer questions, point out areas for improvement and in general, just encourage one another. No site is perfect, including LJs, but it’s by far the best location on the web and I applaud all of you who have made it that way.

To each and every one of you, have a great Fourth. To each of you who have served our country, thanks for making it possible.

-- Gary, Huntsville. May you live as long as you want and not want as long as you live.

Ask Site supervisor for consideration. This sites great. If you really want people to see your work, Reply to yourself..if it’s important..Like Dick Said (By the way hi to him!)
. I did that this morning cause I didn’t get an any advice, so I sort of just refresh the page.
In my personal point of view creatively it’s fun to share, yet at the same time. You remember your GIVING away your work online! If it’s rare highly creative aka ‘precious’ work than well personally I’d wait for a show!
Don’t give away your best- Unless you want to see it duplicated. The Show Me Don’t Tell me Motto is one I think we all try to live by here at LJ’s. Hmm, Just post important things in the contests, than they’re in front by popularity. My 2cents. Forums can easily cut into your working time. Get -in- and Get Out. Watch the lil clock in upper right corner!!!!!
Make some close friends here share your works w them, as another option. That way you get feedback you respect, and no worries! Work is Work doing it is the good part right? showing it for a Critique and feedback helps- Otherwise let a buyer or family deal with it. Just keep building make build build make. Attempt to get tips and advice here and give back too…..As far as sharing really creative work I’ve erased some to hold dear. Exceptional technical work I say help others and share away. SAVE your best designs for contests-shows etc.
Peace. n Happy choppin’

-- PJM.`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸ ><((((º> ""BY HAMMER AND HAND ALL ARTS DO STAND""1785-1974 nyc Semper Fi, Patrick M

Relax, repost, let all have their time. If there are several projects by one person in a row, most likely they will not be posting several more tomorrow. We post to get feedback and to sometimes pass along knowledge. Sometimes we just need to let someone else have their time…

-- Never board, always knotty, lots of growth rings

Who hell has TIME for 13 freakin’ projects to post at once is what I WANT TO KNOW. Jeez Louise…..

-- Beer, Beer, Thank God for Beer. It's my way of keeping my mind fresh and clear...

Is there any support for posting modification ? There seem to be an increasing number of new members posting everything they have ever done in their life at one time . It’s like a posting contest instead of about the wood working .If you go to their home page there is nothing there but a lot of volume . Construction information ,design information ,history ,tooling information ,all absent .If this is a continuing trend I see my participation in this site fading fast. When I want to look at pictures I can thumb through an Ikea catalog . Any comments ?

-- rob

Rob, I am with you. It would be nice to know the dimensions, type of wood, kind of joinery, what finish, etc..

-- Bill - If I knew GRANDKIDS were so much fun I would have had them first.

The sharing of information and knowledge is the key to unlock questions and progressions. There are so many avenues in woodworking and to learn how something is made from start to finish in a path not taken could well encourage an adventure.

-- Never board, always knotty, lots of growth rings

I guess I am differnet than most, I work almost exclusivly off of the pulse page, everyonce in a while I go to the reviews section to see if I missed any of the reviews. I can tell you that if you think things are moving quickly off of the home page, you should see the pulse page. During rush hour ;) your post might stay on the first page for 30 minutes at the most. I find it very disconcerting to see my project/blog/fourm topic disapear so quickly :) but have come to accept it. With so many memebers here things move fast. I have several jocks as buddies to make sure I dont miss thier posts and always try to comment if I have time. One of my buddies is great guy and is a prolific poster with lots of content. If a topic is of great interest I add as a favorite or now with Watchlists. But I have been known to “bump” my post to get it back to the top of the list so I can get some comments. Not my fav thing to do, but is mostly effective.

-- //FC - Round Rock, TX - "Experience is what you get just after you need it"

As LJ membership increases then it is safe to assume that projects posted will increase too on a daily basis. The simple solution is to expand the current limit from 15 posts to 20 or 25 or more.

-- Roger, Rep. of Texas

Roger, someone just posted 16 projects so that wouldn’t help much.

-- Dale Manning, Carthage, NY

It hasn’t been all that long ago that people wanted to eliminate members that didn’t post. wow.

-- Gary, DeKalb Texas

I propose that all who have been members for 972 days or less pay membership dues directly to those who have been here 973 days or more.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

Charlie that date range is abit out mate 445 day is about right lol….......

-- cut it saw it scrap it

I was thinking it should be closer to 500….

-- //FC - Round Rock, TX - "Experience is what you get just after you need it"

Nice, another guy signs up today and posts 7 in a row

-- James, Bluffton, IN

when i view project i just go back to the last project i looked at and move forward. it doesnt matter to me if someone posts 1 or a hundred projects at a time chances are ill look at them all.

i think the thing with the new members signing up and posting a bunch of projects is they have all these pictures with no place to post so they want to fill up their projects page when the sign up, which also posts to the overall projects page.

i was guilty of that i think i posted like three or four one day..i didnt know better…didnt think it would mess someone else up…if this is really a problem then there should be something said when you first sign up….but this is just my humble opinion…....dont want to get in the middle of a bunch of wood nuts with a thousand diffrent opinions…....the last time i miss posted…i had to ask martin to take it off…......i will go with whatever the majority rules…......

-- The Grizzone

Well I’ve emailed Martin about this topic and no response so far. People continue to sign up and post away :(

I am glad we have new members and a bunch of activity. Wish there was a notice to new members as grizz has suggested

-- James, Bluffton, IN

I think every new member should be required to read all the forum topics on this very issue before posting projects. It could have a little thing at the end of it saying “I agree to the terms of this forum topic” LOL.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

LOL yeah!

-- James, Bluffton, IN

I for one am guilty.. I was scanning some older pics and spend the day posting them all,, not aware of bumping anyone of the front page.,. Savanah505 sent me a PM admonishing me… now I leave a gap. Although I do post a couple when I do,
As has been mentioned what happens when we grow to 20,000 members next year.?.

-- Drink once, cut twice. New website up.... lazylarrywoodworks.com.au

Larry, we are all anxiously waiting to see if you ever run out of projects to post. :-)

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

I have to apologize for my flurry of activity today. As was mentioned above, I’m a newbie and wanted to get some of my projects up in my profile, not realizing that it also gets linked to the main page, flooding as it was called.

Apologies to those who were trying to post at the same time.

-- -- Don in Ottawa

I started listing like items together. All these projects have been done over the years and I did not want to load the sight like others have. My newer projects are posted as I complete them. Perhapes older projects could be grouped together like I did. Just a thought.

-- Mc Bridge Cabinets, Iowa

Don,
That is a very good point. There are some projects that I would like to post to have in my gallery, but not necessarily to be posted for comments on the main page. Maybe there could be a way to direct your project for comments on the main page or just display in your project page.
I think this would be an easy solution, as it is done for posting replies-
O Post my reply and add this topic to my watchlist.
O Just post my reply.
Project posting could be-
O Post my project to my gallery and to the frontpage
O Post my project just to my gallery
What are the thoughts on this?

Lisa

-- I inherited the woodworking gene and it's gone into overdrive.......

Lisa, that sounds like a reasonable idea. I like it

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

I sent Martin a PM of this suggestion, really just because I want to put projects in my gallery. I am not so sure I want to post twenty pens that are quite the usual to the main page, but there are people I work with that want to see my pens, and I could then direct them to my gallery page if I could post them without boring everyone to death, or bumping a fantastic project off the front page.
I hope this makes sense.

Lisa

-- I inherited the woodworking gene and it's gone into overdrive.......

good idea Lisa, hope Martin responds to this. As of yet i have not received a response of any kind

-- James, Bluffton, IN

I agree that one project a day is plenty, I just don’t see any downside to it.

-- I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it. - Pablo Picasso

Also I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again we need groups!

For people that like to see all the projects though I really recommend the projects RSS feed, that way you can see all the new projects just as though they were new emails.

http://feeds2.feedburner.com/lumberjocks-projects

-- I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it. - Pablo Picasso

Personally, I click the view all link when I go to the projects unless I see some I have already seen on the first page. I enjoy looking at all the new projects. The more the better in my opinion.

A great attitude David!

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

I am sure this was mentioned…i did not read all the comments…but I think the answer is a box that pops up when you hit the post button—-a box that says:

“Out of respect to all Lumberjocks please limit your project posts to 3 per day.” This would still allow a post…but the jock who goes beyond this has to click through a box and hopefully wont do that…

Keeps the freedom…but lets the users choose…the community polices itself…

-- Matt, Napa, CA...fun is beautiful...just trying to have some fun...

I forget and sometimes don’t even log off lumberjocks for days on end and won’t even look at it. I’ll be doing other things. Then I’ll go back and look at maybe 5 – 8 pages of projects and make comments on the projects. That’s why many times my comments are at the bottom. Same with welcoming people. I just forget, then I’ll go back and catch up. Not to out do anyone just to be part of LJs. Sometimes I make dumb statements due to the meds I’m on, trying to kid around, and people take me seriously, when I’m just playing with them. Things have been this way since I’ve been on this site for 1018 days. And it still is working. I mean the site is still up and running every day. People are bitching and moaning about it, but it still works. I say if something works don’t fix it. But that’s just my dumb opinion…...

-- Mike. mwurm13@yahoo.com

WHO CAN”T LIKE A GUY LIKE YOU, MIKE!

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1