wood working or Farrah faucet

wrong again…it hasn’t been taken off…but i still should not have posted it as it is a religious comment and the rules do state that it should not be disscused…so open mouth …insert foot again…..i think i shall refrain from posting period…...will just look at pictures…....grizzman

-- The Grizzone

Grizzman don’t beat yourself up about it. Normally someone (namely me ;-) would have attacked your post. That’s why you shouldn’t post controversial comments. The coffee lounge is set up to discuss non woodworking things, such as the death of celebrities, humor, etc. Post what you like, but don’t post politics and religion, or other controversial conversation. It’s pretty simple really. Personally I think most people attack that sort of thing simply to cause a controversy, not because they care about the subject matter. I used to do that commonly, but decided to try to ignore the negativity it brings. Now I try to do the humor or simply don’t post. It’s like quitting drinking or smoking. The temptation is there and it’s very difficult to ignore. LOL.

Anyhow, I refrained from posting on your thread and am proud of myself. LOL. However, I did ask Martin that it be removed simply because there really shouldn’t be exceptions to the rule. If we let one get by, they should all get by.

Anyhow, it looks like you’ve figured it out. Don’t stop posting because of it.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

Hey Grizz
Ok there are rules an I have even posted a blog about sticking to woodworking but I did not find you post over the top. I believe in god and I’m grateful for all god has given me an mine . But this is a woodworking forum so that’s what the focus should be. I think you a cool guy and have wonderful projects and just saying what you feel should not blow any ones gasket. So don’t feel like you have committed the ultimate sin . It’s just a little mishap so keep on keeping on. the truth be told probably a large amount of members agree with you wholeheartedly. so keep you projects coming your part of the LJs family and this is were you belong.
Just keep on grizzing bud. Jim

-- Jim from Heirloom Woodshop Southern Oregon

A man of passion for any thing is perfect for becoming a great worker of wood…

-- Never board, always knotty, lots of growth rings

don’t let your passion stop you from sharing them ,
but don’t expect others to feel as you do .
its what makes us all unique .
please don’t stop posting or sharing .
as jim said , you are family , and belong here !

-- david ,new mexico ,allheart

Continue to post. That what this site is for. Just be respectful of others. If you want to talk about woodworking related topics this is the place. The coffee lounge is for non woodworking topics. As long as you follow the posting rules you will be fine.

-- There is no such thing as a mistake. Its called a design modification Rick Kruse, Grand Rapids, MI

Yup, everyone should just ‘chill’ all’s ok.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful. http://web.me.com/deceiver6/Deceiver/Craftsman_on_the_lake/Craftsman_on_the_lake.html

No worries Grizzman.

-- Still clinging to my guns and religion.

How can comments of a religious nature in a woodworking site be considered controversial? After all, would a woodworking comment be controversial in a religious website?
Oh, yeah, ummm, how about those who protest intolerance by practicing intolerance themselves? Those are the ones we gotta be wary of. Running to the moderator for every little thing is just plain wrong. Rock on, grizzman!!

-- If Stradivarius was alive today, he'd be using Gorilla Glue.

poopiekat, your question is controversial, and I think you just want to cause a rift. The rules are here to keep everything controlled and enjoyable. If you bring in beliefs that someone else doesn’t agree with it becomes an argument, thus controversial.

This is a woodworking site, and is to be enjoyed. If you want to preach there’s sites geared for that, or you can simply go to church. Rules are rules. Do you break the law? If you follow the rules off the internet, follow the rules on it. It’s not even about the belief and the differences between people. It’s the rules. Why have rules if there are going to be exceptions? That’s why people go to the moderator poopiehead. Because if Grizzman can post a religious topic and get away with breaking the rule, then I can post what ever the hell I want too. Don’t make me fall off the wagon….........lol

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

fellow wood workers,,,when i made this post is was before i read the rules…i believe in following whatever rule exesit’s…please dont become upset by this…lets just drop it and work the wood…..i was wrong to post it..if martin deams to remove it…i would probably be best…but that is up to him, it wouldnt not bother me at all…im sorry for the feelings this has caused…..it was from my heart…and its “my passion” not everyone elses…so please lets drop this..we all know what we believe and we all know whats in our own hearts…lets work the wood and keep the peace…i do not wanrt to be responsible for kolwdwrkr to fall off the wagon…lol….lets this drop.

-- The Grizzone

No offense taken here, even though I’m not the religious sort.

I personally have no problem with people posting political or religious views in the coffee lounge, but some folks can’t disagree without getting disagreeable. I guess that is why the posting rules say not to do it.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

to kolwdwkr, who wrote:

poopiekat, your question is controversial Questions are not controversial. Answers might be.
Normally someone (namely me ;-) would have attacked your post Yet you give yourself the right to be ‘controversial’.
Now I try to do the humor or simply don’t post Your words…now walk the walk, please.
That’s why people go to the moderator poopiehead. Calling me names now? How utterly childish!

-- If Stradivarius was alive today, he'd be using Gorilla Glue.

Questions can be controversial.

Example: What’s the best way to murder someone who is (gay, white, black, stupid)?

-- Gary, East TX -- The longest journey begins with a single step.

Political correctness is a crutch. If you have a belief, and are brave enought to state it, then you are ahead of the pack. Why must all things be turned into arguments. Never fear the opinions of another person for they are only that, an opinion. Formulate your thoughts, express them intelligently and debate the topic. Leave emotional charge at the door.
“Standing on the defensive is a sign of insufficent strength” Sun Tsu

-- http://www.efcabineture.com/ Woodworking for a living is a lifestyle not a career.

Thanks, Rhett!

GaryK wrote: Questions can be controversial.
Example: What’s the best way to murder someone who is (gay, white, black, stupid)?

Gary, that is not controversial. Controversy arises only if someone reacts adversely to it. As far-fetched as your example is, you’re not likely to get a direct answer to your question. Hence, no controversy.

My hope was to elevate this thread a bit with some good, old fashioned intellectualism. It didn’t work, in fact the result of it was that I was called a most inappropriate name.

Perhaps kolwdwrker can paste the LJ bylaws here where discussing religion and politics is expressly forbidden….without blowing a fuse again. That’s all I ask!

-- If Stradivarius was alive today, he'd be using Gorilla Glue.

Here’s a PM sent to me from kolwdwrkr, and I quote:

Religious threads don’t have a place here, and there are rules stating so. You are a poopiehead for thinking that it’s okay to make exceptions. The entire subject is controversial. I’m not going to sit around while someone posts saying others shouldn’t run to the moderators when someone breaks a rule. Do you let someone break the law without informing the authorities? That’s what keeps the site what it is, is people making sure the trash stays out. Unfortunately You are here, so it’s obviously not working. Maybe once you contribute something worth a XXXX here I’d understand your points of view. No blogs, no projects, just controversy. You run around the forums looking for this crap so you can start up a flame. At least I bring something to the table here other then bull XXXX. You get no respect from me.
end of quote. expletives bleeped by me before posting.

-- If Stradivarius was alive today, he'd be using Gorilla Glue.

My intentions on posting to this thread were not to condone or disagree with any one person’s point of view. Nor was I implying that it is OK, or advisable, to break the laws of the land I was simply using this as a format to express an opinion. No one is above the law.

-- http://www.efcabineture.com/ Woodworking for a living is a lifestyle not a career.

not being able to resist being a bit of a smart@ss…

with this quote:
“If you bring in beliefs that someone else doesn’t agree with it becomes an argument, thus controversial.”

what if the belief is that woodworking should only be done with hand tools?

:)

-- ~ www.darrylmasterson.com ~ www.darrylmasterson.etsy.com ~ www.woodworkingdungeon.blogspot.com ~

Poopiekat, you call me childish but you aren’t man enough to confront me in private like I did you. I took my feelings towards you away from the public area so that it didn’t cause anymore problems. It was something MARTIN asked us to do when there was controversy or problems between members. Once again you are becoming the problem.
I don’t have a problem with what Grizzman posted. The rule does. Take the rule away and people can post what they want. Just be prepared for chaos.
Darryl, that is a controversial statement too, but it’s not one that touches the very core of our being. I don’t give a crap who uses hand tools or who uses power tools. It means nothing to me. That very topic is in fact why we are here though, to discuss such matters. Woodworking. We are not always going to agree on everything. As soon as you bring in a topic that can affect emotions or cause people to be angry you over step your bounds. Religion and politics over step those bounds because you are discussing PERSONAL BELIEFS. Woodworking is not a personal belief. It is something we just do.

Poopiekat I don’t understand how PoopieKat is different then PoopieHead, regardless you’re still poopie.

Here are the rules :http://lumberjocks.com/msojka/blog/4436

I broke a rule by calling Poopiekat a poopiehead, and for that I’m sorry (even though he’s calling himself poopie) However, I followed the rule to take it private. Sorry poopiekat couldn’t follow the same courtesy.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

Kolwdwrkr sez all of the following to me:
Poopiekat, you call me childish but you aren’t man enough to confront me in private like I did you…....
Once again you are becoming the problem. .......You are a poopiehead …....
Poopiekat I don’t understand how PoopieKat is different then PoopieHead, regardless you’re still poopie….....
That’s why people go to the moderator poopiehead…......
I can post what ever the hell I want too…....

But the posting rules clearly state:
Be civil, courteous and respectful to all.
Keep your posts appropriate for our members of all ages to read/see.
Don’t get personal. A good general rule to follow is, “criticize ideas, not people”.
We do not tolerate abusive, malicious, personal attacks.

What part of the posting rules did you not read, kolwdwrkr?
Why is everything somebody else’s fault? Back off…NOW.
Don’t wreck this forum for everyone.
I will not tolerate any more profanity-laced PM’s from you either.

-- If Stradivarius was alive today, he'd be using Gorilla Glue.

AAHHH, look who wants to follow the rules now. Good for you Poopiekat. Now you understand how things work. You feel the same way about my controversial criticism as I may feel about religious content. Hence why the rules exist. Take the rule away and you get chaos. I truly hope you get the point now.

BTW, the only rule I broke was calling you a poopiehead. The rest was done in a PM, which is PRIVATE, not PUBLIC. You made my comments public, which means you broke that rule. I can’t be respectful to someone I don’t respect.

Changing your name to something more appropriate may not be such a bad idea. Some of us get confused as to if you’re a poopiekat, poopiehead, or a poopiefart. I’m still confused.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

Haven’t been on the site for a while. Nice to see the same old thread happening again and again and again…

-- Scott - Chico California http://chicowoodnut.home.comcast.net

I’m going to turn off my computer and go downstairs to my shop and work.

-- Each and Every step of any project should be considered your masterpiece if you want the finished product to reflect the quality of your work. Greg Little

hey greg….i did the very same thing…it smelled so good…ive been working with some red cedar…but started on a gift for a relative.. working with some black walnut …it was nice and quite…around 11 30pm…was the good thing to do…lets all go back out to our shops and make something beautiful with our wood….smell the night air…..
i wrote some words into a forum…it wasnt the right decorum…a rule was broken and a few words mispoken…so now its time to move on…..and friendly words to appear…..as sam maloof would say…were all woodworkers here…....please….for the sake of martins great web site…...lets just work the wood…..grizzman

-- The Grizzone

grizzman, I couldn’t agree more. I’ve started a new pendant and should have it pretty much done by tomorrow. It’s my first commissioned jewelry piece. The guy is buying it for his wife for their 5th year anniversary. It’s nothing spectacular, but it’s cool. It would be cool to be out in the shop at 11:30pm, but I guess that’s bed time for a lot of us. So that’s where I’m headed for now. Tomorrow is a new day.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~