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Jmcnail

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03-25-2015 11:15 AM

I’m preparing for several new machines and would appreciate any feedback related to these products.

Grizzly G0490X 8 inch spiral head jointer
Grizzly G0454Z 20” Spiral head planer
Grizzly GO514X2 19” bandsaw

I started woodworking several years ago with mostly used tools aside fromy sawstop. I’ve become quite frustrated with the poor quality used tools and limitations of the smaller machines. Again, any guidance would be appreciated.

Also, I hope to save a few hundred bucks when purchasing. If you have a spare Grizzly 10% please consider messaging me. Thanks!!

-- McNails-woodworks.com


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rwe2156

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#1 posted 03-25-2015 11:26 AM

Can’t go wrong with spiral heads good choice if you have the coin.

My only suggestion is on your choice of planer.

I have a 20” planer and I rarely ever put a board through wider than 12”.
Nor do I feed multiple boards side by side cause that turns into a Chinese fire drill real fast.

If I had it to do over, I would save the money and go with 15”,

I would put a drum sander on your list. It has become an indispensable machine for me now.

I got a 16” and wish I had a 24.

Perhaps an option for you is downgrade the plane and pick up a sander.

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Jmcnail

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#2 posted 03-25-2015 11:42 AM

That’s a good thought… I have no experience with the sanders of that sort. What is the advantage and what kind of material can you remove with it. Say I glue up a large 20” panel – can the sander smooth out any discrepancies created during glue up?

Unfortunately the 15” is only a $500 saving or so… I don’t think I could swing another $1000 that the drum sander would run me after figuring the planer savings. I do plan to also upgrade my drill press and will look more into a drum sander next year as I upgrade again.

-- McNails-woodworks.com

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#3 posted 03-25-2015 12:16 PM


That s a good thought… I have no experience with the sanders of that sort. What is the advantage and what kind of material can you remove with it. Say I glue up a large 20” panel – can the sander smooth out any discrepancies created during glue up?
Yes it can and much better than a planer (even a spiral head).
I wouldn’t use it to take 1/8” off a board but you could with coarse sandpaper.
You can easily take off 1/16 which should take care of even a bad glue up.

I routinely use 100 on the first drum and 150 on the second and I get quite a nice surface.

I usually do my final thicknessing with the drum sander, not the planer.
The sander is much more accurate than a planer and I can dial it in much closer.

It saves me alot of time on hand planing or hand sanding, and especially face grain on a wide panel, which can be a bother.

If you’ve got grain direction changes, a sander doesn’t care—no such thing as tear out.

Unfortunately the 15” is only a $500 saving or so… I don t think I could swing another $1000 that the drum sander would run me after figuring the planer savings. I do plan to also upgrade my drill press and will look more into a drum sander next year as I upgrade again.

- Jmcnail

With a drum sander you really don’t need a spiral head planer, so maybe the savings on the size and type of planer would make the diff? You will save $1400 going from a 20” spiral to a 15” standard. A 24” drum is $1700 and a 16 (what I have) is $1200.

On very wide panels, just rough plane them, do the glue up and put through the sander.

Another option is instead of a dual drum, go with a single drum open end sander, maybe a benchtop model.
I think they are well under $1K and work quite well.

Just be aware if you go with a drum sander you need good dust collection at the source.
I (try to remember to) wear a dust mask when using it.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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Jmcnail

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#4 posted 03-25-2015 12:28 PM

Something to think about! Thanks for your thoughts and time.

-- McNails-woodworks.com

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#5 posted 03-25-2015 12:56 PM

If you had bad bow, cup, or twist in a board you would still need something to flatten one face before running through the planer or sander. I always flatten one face before I resaw with my 17” grizzly band saw.

I have the Performax 16/32 open end (single) drum sander. I can take off about 1/32” in a pass. Because the drum is only supported on one side I have noticed a slight flexing which causes the side of the board next to the open side of the sander to be thicker than the other.

When you get a band saw, make sure you get one with a motor brake. It will save you time waiting for the blade to coast to a stop.

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Jmcnail

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#6 posted 03-25-2015 01:10 PM

The one I have selected does include a motor break. It will be far nicer to use than my current vintage delta 14”. I think I currently have 6 inches of resaw capacity without an extension block installed. Very limiting!

-- McNails-woodworks.com

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Jmcnail

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#7 posted 03-25-2015 06:25 PM

Anyone have any experience with the resaw fence on this bandsaw? How is the quality and accuracy?

-- McNails-woodworks.com

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#8 posted 03-25-2015 07:09 PM

Well…......... on the planer, you can run board that have been glued together through a planer so there nothing wrong with getting a 20’’ wide planer. I do it often.

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#9 posted 03-25-2015 07:15 PM

Curious about the 490X Jointer. I was about the pull the trigger on one last week. Did some digging to find that the most positive reviews on this forum were, “I do not have any major complaints.” That did not sound very positive to me.

I followed up with a few people who bought them a year or so back, and one guy already sold it, gave me about 8 problems he had, but dais it was not bad. I think even 2 issues on a new machine is a problem.

Even then, the value for spiral 8” with parallel tables was too hard to beat. I called to order and the tech sales people were so bad I hung up.

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Jmcnail

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#10 posted 03-25-2015 07:22 PM

Interesting… I read several reviews on various sites and couldn’t find anything negative about the jointer. I know that it was on back order until yesterday because they were selling them like crazy. If and when I get it I’ll prvide an update! Hopefully I can find one of those dang coupons. I sent in an email to grizzly so see if they’d just apply the discount but in the past they have been pretty firm about not doing things that way… We’ll see.

-- McNails-woodworks.com

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#11 posted 03-25-2015 07:34 PM

Jmcnail – if you do and it works out for you that is awesome. I would love the have those tables assuming they are flat. The video on their website is impressive for adjusting them. Below is the reply I got from a LJer who bought that about a year ago:

In my case the jointer fence had a slight twist towards the end of the outfeed side, while I could measure it I determined it was not an issue as the board is already planed by that point and wood isn’t accurate to those tolerances anyway. I did have to shim the cutter head which is normal tuning and since I was installing the Byrd no big deal. The table had a couple bb size dings in it I stoned one flat where the metal had been pushed up somewhat. I had to align the motor square. The belts should be replaced with link belts as the stock belts vibrate a bit. The piece that holds the cutter head guard on was poorly machined and fitted, I had to drill out one of the bolt mounting holes so I could align it flat with the in/out feed tables.

Mind you I’m noting the negatives, there were a lot of positives.

Ouch. That is not a shipping issue, that is a lot of work and time to make a new machine acceptable. This story has been repeated a few times. Bummer.

-- Bigfoot tries to take pictures of me

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Jmcnail

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#12 posted 03-25-2015 07:38 PM

Hopefully things will work out in my favor… I think there is inherent risk involved in all large purchases. Unfortunately nothing is ever as perfect as we would want it to be. Just like our woodworking…

-- McNails-woodworks.com

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Arlin Eastman

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#13 posted 03-25-2015 07:43 PM

All I can say is I like their tools.

The VA bought my grizzly tools and I like them a lot. Here is what I have.

1. G0690 Tablesaw
2. G0452Z Jointer with the Spiral cutterhead I now would like the 8” or even 12” better.
3. G0453Z Planer with Spiral cutterhead
4. G0636X with 5hp motor

They were to big for me while I was in the wheelchair for years but frineds helped me and also some LJs helped me lower them too and here is my story for the LJs. http://lumberjocks.com/CricketWalker/blog/52586

-- Please help me help other Vets click..> http://www.gofundme.com/m1abko.....It is always the right time, to do the right thing.

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Jmcnail

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#14 posted 03-25-2015 07:56 PM

Thanks for sharing Arlin! Very very cool!

-- McNails-woodworks.com

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#15 posted 03-26-2015 11:43 AM



The one I have selected does include a motor break. It will be far nicer to use than my current vintage delta 14”. I think I currently have 6 inches of resaw capacity without an extension block installed. Very limiting!

- Jmcnail

I saw a 14” Laguna yesterday. Has something like 12” resaw capacity and a very nice fence.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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