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Forum topic by thelt posted 06-21-2009 11:09 AM 7986 views 0 times favorited 13 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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thelt

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06-21-2009 11:09 AM

I moved this from another forum that was probably not the right place to post it (since I dind’nt get any replies).

Not to knock custom cabinets, but I am at a dilemma with the custom cabinets in my kitchen. I want to put in pull outs but the cabinet builder built them as face frames and the inside dimensions are 4 inches wider than the opening of the face frame. Also the sides of the cabinest are either luan or 1/4” plywood (hard to mount rails to). I’m not sure what to do other than rebuild the cabinet and hope I can use the drawer front and cabinet door. These are 25 years old and are going to be hard to match up the stain etc… Any Ideas from the experts?

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#1 posted 06-21-2009 12:36 PM

thelt, I by know means am an expert, but seems your biggest problem is with the sides only being 1/4” if thicker I would suggest just adding stripes to bring it out flush with your face frame.I have done this before. With the sides being 1/4” seems to me you would have to make and entire panel to add to your sides, by the time you do that seems it would be easier to just make new boxes. I am sure you will get more and better advice.

-- F.Little

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#2 posted 06-21-2009 03:11 PM

When I worked at a cabinet factory, we put metal hardware drawer runners in. The pullouts fit between the face frames. This works fine.

-- Berta in NC

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#3 posted 06-21-2009 04:33 PM

If you are making new drawers and want to mount them to the face frames, there is an easy full extension slide with an optional face frame mounting kit. Look at figure 2 for what it looks like installed. You will need to use the correct slides for the kit.

Here is the link:

http://www.accuride.com/Resources/PDF/3832FFCK-R10-0708.pdf

-- Oldworld, Fair Oaks, Ca

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#4 posted 06-21-2009 04:46 PM

Hey thelt
They make conectors(they sell them at Lowes) that atach to the back of the cabinet or back wall the you glides fit into this conectors they will take care of the 4” problem. Then glue blocks or strips of wood behind your face frame to attach you glide to that in the front. If you have the time I would remake the face frames 1/4”are really substandard you could possible go over the face frames you have if your counter top will allow. Then can be made fairly easy if you invest in a kreg pocket hole jig They start as low as $20 for the most basic model.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#5 posted 06-21-2009 06:12 PM

In Udo Schmidt’s book on Building Kitchen Cabinets, he uses a U-shaped wooden frame to install side-mount drawer slides in face frame cabinets.

-- Rich, Seattle, WA

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#6 posted 06-22-2009 02:02 AM

I have seen what Richforever is talking about in Schmidt’s book and I agree that would be your easest & best option.

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#7 posted 06-22-2009 02:39 AM

I would like to know what these u shaped woodens framed look like.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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thelt

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#8 posted 06-22-2009 11:51 AM

a1Jim, it’s not the face frame that’s 1/4”. It’s the side panels of the cabinet. The face frame is 3/4”. But I see what you are talkiing about doing and that may be a solution.

John, I also like your link to Accuride, but that would mean I couldn’t use the existing drawer slides I already have. But I haven’t ruled out just buying new slides too.

I haven’t seen Schmidt’s book and I’m not sure what rich and sandhill are talking about. Maybe somebody has a drawing of these U-shaped wooden frames.

-- When asked what I did to make life worthwhile in my lifetime....I can respond with a great deal of pride and satisfaction, "I served a career in the United States Navy."

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#9 posted 07-05-2009 03:57 PM

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#10 posted 07-05-2009 08:31 PM

Check out Rockler woodworking for hardware needs. They have some great stuff, and you’ll get ideas just from looking at their selection. As for matching stains, my way of doing this if you’re thinking of shelac or a poly finish
you directly mix oil paints into poly, they mix well to tint the poly then thin it out with turps or paint thinner.
Burnt Umber – umber -Raw Seinna – titanium white – black – some yellow- I can mix n match most finish restorations with these. Good Luck. If you want a little help on color finishing tips without buying expensive powder pigments drop me a line. I can help figure this out with you. I’ve also heated and tinted watco danish oil
and butchers wax for some nice restorations. Not by the book but much easier and cheaper than the pigment kits.
I have some great books on restoration and faux finishes that have formulas for matching, If you need I’ll scan you some pages.
Pat

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slideoutshelves

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#11 posted 07-20-2009 01:27 AM

The easiest way is to use L brackets to mount your sliding drawers to the exisiting cabinet shelves. No need to modify anything and they are the strongest way to mount.
http://www.slideoutshelvesllc.com/store/HARDWARE/c11/p112/L-Brackets/product_info.html

-- http://www.slideoutshelvesllc.com

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thelt

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#12 posted 07-20-2009 11:46 AM

Thanks, slideoutshelves! That will work for the bottom shelf just great, but what do I do for the top shelf?

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slideoutshelves

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#13 posted 07-20-2009 04:38 PM

If you have shelves in the top currently, the L brackets can be used there also. If there is no shelving, use the rear sockets.

-- http://www.slideoutshelvesllc.com

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