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Ashus

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03-21-2015 05:22 AM

Topic tags/keywords: question jointer refurbishing

So I was perusing CL today, as I’m wont to do from time to time as I look to expand my shop’s capabilities, and I ran across an ad for a Delta 6” 37-280 for $50. I did check what some other people were auctioning/selling this model for beforehand, and they all seemed to hover in the $200-250 range.

The price seemed awfully low, so I actually skipped over it, thinking it had to be in terrible condition or missing some vital components (like a motor). It kept nagging at me, though, so I went back to look at the post and check out the pictures. It all seemed to be in relatively decent condition, so I emailed the guy and went to take a look.

There’s a bit of rust on the tables, but my wire brush was taking almost all of it off. The whole thing is coplanar and flat – no sagging or pitting. The blades look good. Aside from some dust (not sawdust), it was in remarkably good visual condition. After plugging it in, it just purred quietly. I asked why he was selling something that was in pretty good shape for so low; he told me he had inherited it from his grandfather, but had no interest in anything woodworking and it’d just been sitting in his garage collecting dust and some rust. So I bought it, he helped me throw it in the van, and now it’s sitting in my garage.

A more thorough inspection revealed just the tiniest bit of surface rust on one corner where it meets the stand, but opening up the back and pulling the fence off, etc… this thing is really clean. It almost looks brand new, aside from the fact that it’s probably going on about 20 years old now, and where he left some wet cans on the table.

After making my decision purely on impulse (I don’t have a jointer. I need a jointer. This is cheap.) I did some research on the actual jointer – getting the general feeling that people hate the fence and it’s really only reliable for the under 4’ boards.

Sorry for the terrible lighting in this picture – it’s in my really dark garage, and my cell camera isn’t that wonderful.

Anywho, enough story time, onto my questions:
Did I buy a hunk of scrap that’ll be impossible or cost-prohibitive to refurbish?
Almost all of my work is done in the 6-18” board length range, with widths of 1-1/2” to about 5”... this should be good enough for small work?
If this is worth being cleaned up and made into a decent tool, what potential solutions are there to the warped fence?
Did I shoot myself in the foot with this?

I don’t know yet if I’m feeling buyers remorse over it. $50 isn’t much, but it’s a date night with the wife. I feel like I could have potentially gotten it for a steal, but as this is my first jointer I don’t have any sort of comparisons to make. I certainly don’t expect it to be reviewed as highly as a Shop Fox 8”.

Thanks LJs, I appreciate your feedback.

-- Adam in Minneapolis


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MrUnix

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#1 posted 03-21-2015 05:28 AM

Not a steal, but not too bad either.. clean the table up, give it some wax, make sure the knives are set properly and everything is adjusted properly – then start making some sawdust.

Cheers,
Brad

Edit: Just re-read your post… warped fence? As long as it’s perpendicular to the table, should be good, but how is it ‘warped’?

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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TheFridge

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#2 posted 03-21-2015 05:31 AM

I think it’s a great deal and very usable if you don’t put too much pressure on the fence. You may be able to buy a heavier extrusion.

Edit: if the outfeed table is cast into the base, that’s kind of a big negative, but still ok.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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MT_Stringer

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#3 posted 03-21-2015 05:33 AM

Maybe we should just call you Toeless Joe! :-)

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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Ashus

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#4 posted 03-21-2015 05:35 AM

Brad, when I get it square to the table over the cutter head, the infeed side of the fence is about 2º left (at the top) of perpendicular. On the outfeed side, it’s about 4º right.

I’m thinking it’s been used as a shelf at some point in the past.

Edit: Whoa! Lots of replies and edits in a short time! TheFridge – I’m pretty sure the outfeed table is cast as part of the base. I hear that makes for some difficult knife adjustments, but I’m more comfortable with spending my time than I am with spending my money.

-- Adam in Minneapolis

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MrUnix

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#5 posted 03-21-2015 05:47 AM

You can try to find a replacement extrusion like TheFridge mentioned, or just put a face on the fence and shim it to be perpendicular… and if you are going to be doing face jointing, it doesn’t even really matter. You might also be able to take it off and tweak it back into alignment, which is sort of common with cast iron ones, but I’m not sure about aluminium.

A fixed outfeed table is NOT a big deal, and really has no bearing on setting knives. I’ve had both, adjustable and fixed outfeed tables (and my current Makita 2030 has a fixed outfeed table), and setting the knives is the same for both types.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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TheFridge

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#6 posted 03-21-2015 05:47 AM

I hear your you. It helps having an outfeed adjustment but you still have to set the knives parallel to table on all jointers. Sucks that the fence sucks.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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Ashus

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#7 posted 03-21-2015 06:05 AM

Thanks guys, once again your insights have been invaluable. I don’t feel any sort of remorse anymore, I’m confident I’ll be able to turn this into a useable tool.

I think I’ll try to tweak the fence a little bit first, and see how that goes.

Then I’ll probably try putting a face on the fence next, since I’ve got some scrap lying around that I think will work pretty well, and the cost of it is “free”. I’m not opposed to spending money where money needs to be spent, but part of my joy is kludging solutions – so long as they work!

I plan on doing both edge and face jointing, and some of my projects are edge-glued plank creations from thinner width stock, so making sure they’re all true gets to be very important (or so I’ve been told) so as not to multiply small errors over multiple repeated cuts.

As Brad’s signature says… I’m in the young and stupid phase, hoping to pass quickly through that stupid part.

-- Adam in Minneapolis

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rwe2156

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#8 posted 03-21-2015 11:45 AM

Face it with a piece of hardwood/shim where needed.
Sounds like it matches your needs.
For longer boards you can always make some table extensions.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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#9 posted 03-21-2015 12:14 PM

It certainly passes the “can I resell it for what I paid for it?” test. Clean it up, enjoy it, find a bigger, better one on CL in the future (easy since you’re not in a hurry now), and sell this one (in better, cleaner shape than when you bought it) to the next person in your situation. Congrats.

-- You've got to be smarter than the tree.

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helluvawreck

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#10 posted 03-21-2015 12:35 PM

Even though I already have a joiner I probably would buy it for that.

helluvawreck aka Charles
http://woodworkingexpo.wordpress.com

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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Tennessee

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#11 posted 03-21-2015 01:09 PM

Have to admit, if I saw that for $50, even though I’ve got a perfect running Jet, I would probably have bought it, cleaned it up, sharpened the blades, set it up, and made a decision as to whether it stayed in my shop as a small secondary, or sell it for at least twice to three times what I paid for it.
I think you did OK…

-- Paul, Tennessee, http://www.tsunamiguitars.com

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Ashus

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#12 posted 03-21-2015 07:27 PM

Thanks guys!

Here’s what it looks like in the light, after some time with a wire wheel and WD-40.

Those rust rings are pretty stubborn, and there’s some pin head sized pitting, and it looked like someone had done some welding on it at one point, but those splatters buffed right off.

Now it’s time to buff off the oil and throw on some wax!

-- Adam in Minneapolis

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MrUnix

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#13 posted 03-21-2015 07:35 PM

A dilute solution of phosphoric acid, alcohol and water should get rid of most of the staining (similar to what is in bar keepers friend and some other store bought stuff). Used with a scotch-brite pad, it works wonders. Put the pad under a vibrating sander to make it even easier!

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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Ashus

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#14 posted 03-22-2015 03:04 AM

Brad, that worked a treat! This thing sparkles!

On a side note, does anyone know how much it weighs? I moved it into my basement workshop today, and it was really damn hefty.

-- Adam in Minneapolis

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tomd

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#15 posted 03-22-2015 03:58 AM

It’s a steal at $50.

-- Tom D

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