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06-18-2009 03:13 PM

Topic tags/keywords: jig face frame

Coming soon?

This looks like it could be pretty interesting…

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#1 posted 06-18-2009 04:14 PM

I read it but “who” ...........”painstakingly cuts small beads on a tablesaw?”........and if they do then why?

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#2 posted 06-18-2009 06:09 PM

I do. Because I don’t have another method. I cut all my strips to 5/16 then round them over on the router table with a 1/8” bit. So I have a 1/4” bead with a 1/16” shoulder. Then I apply the moulding to the assembled face frames. I can’t afford to do anything different, and the end result is as good in my opinion. I personally love the look of beaded frames with inset doors. I’ve done hundreds of cabinets this way, and have actually made it my top design that I offer the client first.
I’d be interested in seeing how this thing works. I’m assuming you cut all your face frame stock wide enough to accomodate the beading, route the bead on the frame itself, and then do the “haunch?” cut in order to create your miters. That’s how a machine does it, but I’m curious to see it done cheaper.

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#3 posted 06-18-2009 09:21 PM

there are many wasy to do it , pending the equipment/tooling on hand but

a beading router bit is pretty inexpensive, so is a half round over, put in a router table, route two edges and then rip to desired width…........simple, quick and accurate.

I’ve been doing a hand done haunched joint…...............takes forever so I recently bit the bullet and bought a system that does what took me 4 hours a frame…...........down to less then 2 minutes.Probably similar to what Kreg is going to put out but instead of a “pocket hole” to fasten the frame together, I use a high frequency router with a dovetail bit and do a double dovetail…...........and I love it.

4 years of haunch joints by hand with an ever growing list of clientelle that want it….........I paid my dues and maybe soon I’ll have time to play again.

Cheers

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#4 posted 06-19-2009 12:27 AM

o.k. ....so, I don’t get it. What exactly is Kreg selling. ‘Cause putting a bead on frame stock is easy. The hard part is the joint (well, it’s not hard…it just doesn’t necessarily fly together.) As far as I can see kreg just put a bead bit in a router table.

We have a shear that mitres out the joint so it’s no problem….so, I don’t get it.

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#5 posted 06-19-2009 12:46 AM

I don’t know what the big deal is. I put beads on frames with a old wooden moulding plane that I paid $15.00 for. I now have 1/4, 3/8, & 1/2 inch beaders ( Plus #45, 50, 55 stanleys are still out there) For anything else you can use a scratch stock. But I guess that if are in the business of making frames full time it would make sense.

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#6 posted 06-22-2009 04:18 AM

very interesting but why

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#7 posted 06-22-2009 05:08 AM

Catspaw

what is this “shear” you speak of and why is the “shear” make it so easy?

how much money did your boss spend to make it so “easy”?

have you, personally, ever cut a “haunched joint” by hand…............without the shear?............and show me the ‘picture” of your personal hand done haunched joint please?

perhaps your boss spent thousands and thousands of bucks to buy this technologically advanced “shear” only to find out that Kreg beat the patent and now offers the same patent, slightly altered, made some where else….....................and the masses can do what you claim is so “easy”............”whats the big deal” ?

the “haunched joint”.............cut by hand, is not only interesting, cut by hand, is somewhat similar to climbing Everest and as for the why…....because some men can and do.

when they cant…........they make pens from an unsustainable logging operation in a tropical forest….........and brag about it.

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#8 posted 06-22-2009 05:36 AM

bently, I would love to have that machine. I’m curious as to how this kreg is going to work, as well as the price tag.

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#9 posted 06-22-2009 05:47 AM

bentlyj….............what does that tool cost?

do you own one and if so, what does it cost to sharpen the knives or do you sharpen them?

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#10 posted 06-22-2009 05:55 AM

Roman: http://www.hoffmann-usa.com/htm/beadedfaceframes/introbeadedface_frames.htm
Prices run from Over 8k to 18k
I’ve seen this machine in the past. It’s been around for a while. I don’t think the kreg will be any where close to this thing. The links at the bottom take you to each machine.

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#11 posted 06-29-2009 05:17 PM

Hey everyone!

Just wanted to drop in and answer a question or two, although I’m not allowed to share too much! Until now, the only people that have seen the product outside of Kreg, are a few industry experts and magazine editors. Here are a few of their reactions:

“What beaded face-frames do is help me turn ordinary cabinetry into beautiful furniture. My customers value them because it shows I took the time to do the job right. Little do they know that now, because of Kreg, I can now get them done in just a few minutes!”

“The reason that many woodworkers, including myself, have shied away from using beaded face-frames in the past, is simply because they take a lot of time and effort to build. This changes all of that.”

And my personal favorite…

“Wow. This is amazing. [staring and silence]”

Anyway, for those interested… on July 15th, at AWFS in Las Vegas, we will be introducing this incredible new product to the world. If you can’t make it to the show, simply visit the link in the first post (www.kregtool.com/beaded) and sign up to be the very first to get all the information and videos as they become available!

If you’ve got any questions, feel free to post them here… although I’m unfortunately not allowed to share much until after July 15th. :)

Until the next time, good luck, and good woodworking!
KregRep

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#12 posted 06-29-2009 05:22 PM

KregRep, As soon as pics or videos come out on the product can you post them here? I’ll put this on my watch list and then when you post the updated information I’ll get it right away without having to go through the hassel of getting junk mail from Kreg. Besides, I’m sure everyone here would like all the details as well.
Thanks

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#13 posted 06-30-2009 01:21 PM

Almost every commesion I’ve gotten over the last 2 years has been embedded beading, haunched joinery and it is sooooooo time consuming….....pretty when done right but laborious

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#14 posted 07-09-2009 05:34 PM

Less than a week until launch! Looking forward to showing the new system off at AWFS and meeting some of you in person. Remember, if you can’t make it to the show, simply sign up at www.kregtool.com/beaded to be the very first to see the video and get all the information as it becomes available!

After the launch, I’d be very happy to answer any questions you have right here at Lumberjocks!

-- KregRep | Huxley, IA | Join the Kreg Jig Owners' Community: http://kregjig.ning.com

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#15 posted 07-14-2009 03:42 PM

Tomorrow is the big day. Looking forward to sharing with everyone. We will be releasing a video tomorrow of the new product for everyone that can’t attend the show. Sign up at www.kregtool.com/beaded today to see it!

-- KregRep | Huxley, IA | Join the Kreg Jig Owners' Community: http://kregjig.ning.com

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