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Forum topic by BroncoBrian posted 03-16-2015 11:54 PM 870 views 0 times favorited 14 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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BroncoBrian

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03-16-2015 11:54 PM

It is time. I’ll keep this short.

Powermatic 6” Helical or Jet 6” Helical. I think I will be ok with 6” over 8” and like the idea of the 10” shorter tables on the Jet and lighter weight to be able to move it.

Has anyone used both and have a comment that makes the argument for the PM. Are the cutter heads the same?

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CoachSchroeder

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#1 posted 03-17-2015 01:00 AM

No experience with either.

But I think you will be the 1st guy ever to prefer the smaller machine :)

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BroncoBrian

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#2 posted 03-17-2015 01:06 AM

Ha, not so much a preference than understanding that I can get around the smaller capacity, but gain mobility. Just not sure if there is more to it than I am thinking of.

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tsdahc

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#3 posted 03-17-2015 01:04 PM

I own the Powermatic and have eye balled the Jet at a local shop. I am absolutely pleased with the Powermatic, having the extra length tables is awesome. Yes it takes a little more space but I can easily joint an 8 ft board without using supports. I have it on a mobile base and it easily can be carted around, you will not notice the weight difference once on wheels. Two things you want in a 6” jointer is long tables and mass, makes life easier when working with long or heavy boards. I came from a 6 in straight knife Grizzly, weighed about 150lbs and had shorter tables, and it was no comparison to the Powermatic, or jet for that matter. The helical head is great (Im pretty sure jet uses the same exact head). When I jointed with the straight knife machine it was loud, first thing I notice with the HH was how little noise it makes, and the finish is great. Now to be fair I went with the Powermatic because I found one on CL used by the guy once for $700, needless to say that sealed the deal for me. Either one will be a good choice, they’re probably made in the same exact factory. If the Jet fits your space go with it, but if you have the room for the larger tables go with the Powermatic, also if you ever decide to go to a larger machine Powermatic seems to hold their value a little better on CL then Jet, atleast in my area. I know I said I got mine for a steal, they guy was going through a divorce had to liquidate fast, I lucked out.

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Fred Hargis

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#4 posted 03-17-2015 02:39 PM

As log as you understand the length you can joint is directly related to the length of the tables, I think you’re good to go. I have a Jet (8”) and compared it to the PMs when I bought it. I thought then the PMs were much more polished, attention to detail was much better. But my Jet has done yeoman service in the 12 years or so I’ve had it, and adding the Byrd head just made it better (IMHO).

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BroncoBrian

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#5 posted 03-18-2015 03:56 AM



I own the Powermatic and have eye balled the Jet at a local shop. I am absolutely pleased with the Powermatic, having the extra length tables is awesome. Yes it takes a little more space but I can easily joint an 8 ft board without using supports. I have it on a mobile base and it easily can be carted around, you will not notice the weight difference once on wheels. Two things you want in a 6” jointer is long tables and mass, makes life easier when working with long or heavy boards. I came from a 6 in straight knife Grizzly, weighed about 150lbs and had shorter tables, and it was no comparison to the Powermatic, or jet for that matter. The helical head is great (Im pretty sure jet uses the same exact head). When I jointed with the straight knife machine it was loud, first thing I notice with the HH was how little noise it makes, and the finish is great. Now to be fair I went with the Powermatic because I found one on CL used by the guy once for $700, needless to say that sealed the deal for me. Either one will be a good choice, they re probably made in the same exact factory. If the Jet fits your space go with it, but if you have the room for the larger tables go with the Powermatic, also if you ever decide to go to a larger machine Powermatic seems to hold their value a little better on CL then Jet, atleast in my area. I know I said I got mine for a steal, they guy was going through a divorce had to liquidate fast, I lucked out.

- tsdahc

tsdahc

Thanks so much for the input. They are built in the same place though still a bit different. For $150 the PM makes sense. I guess it will come down to space. Great input and fantastic deal you found!

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AHuxley

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#6 posted 03-18-2015 05:48 AM

For me I find on the low end there is not much functionally different between Jet and PM, once you move to the higher end Jet (which is the mid-level of PM) the similar PM machines start to move significantly ahead of the Jet machines in functionality. If it were me I would look hard at the Jet 8” jointer, I always have seen an 8” jointer as the minimum for a serious hobbiest, but it could be a space issue. If it is a budget issue the straight knife Jet 8” is about the same price as the PM 6” helical and you could always save up the $400 and add a Byrd head to it later.

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SirIrb

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#7 posted 03-18-2015 11:29 AM

I would place PM on the top of the pyramid with the understanding that finding real oliver, boice crane etc is tough to come by.

I would shoot for PM green or atleast real Murphysboro TN PM. Used is not bad. To me a gently used PM is light years over JET.

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rwe2156

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#8 posted 03-18-2015 02:01 PM

Don’t own any PM machines, nor will I because they’re too pricey for me.

I do own several Jet machines, with no complaints.

Wider blades and longer beds are always better with jointers unless you have room limitations.

I started out intending to get a 6” but bit the bullet and got an 8” and now I’d give my left _ for a 12!!

FWIW, I have a Grizzly jointer and I’m satisfied with it. Just upgraded to a helical head.

Just curious, why did you boil it down to Jet vs. PM?

I’ve got 3 Grizzly machines (8” jointer, 10” planer and 16” drum sander) and I don’t have any major complaints.

Just wondering if you checked out the green stuff? Some of their stuff comes from the same factory (in Taiwan) as the yellow stuff. My 20” planer is identical to the powermatic with exception of bed extension rollers instead of solid table, switch and motor.

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Andre

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#9 posted 03-18-2015 06:25 PM

When I went to buy a 6” jointer was intending to pick up a blade unit from General but came home with the
Laguna 6” Helical head. They had just assembled it and was on sale so it followed me home and has preformed so well that I will never get rid of it !

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BroncoBrian

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#10 posted 03-20-2015 02:52 PM



For me I find on the low end there is not much functionally different between Jet and PM, once you move to the higher end Jet (which is the mid-level of PM) the similar PM machines start to move significantly ahead of the Jet machines in functionality. If it were me I would look hard at the Jet 8” jointer, I always have seen an 8” jointer as the minimum for a serious hobbiest, but it could be a space issue. If it is a budget issue the straight knife Jet 8” is about the same price as the PM 6” helical and you could always save up the $400 and add a Byrd head to it later.

- AHuxley

Thanks for the comment. I am tracking with you. I am 90% sure that is the way I’ll go. $ is less an issue as not buying 2 jointers this year. I am very turned off by the Grizzly inconsistency I have read about researching these tools. Hours and days waiting on parts to get a new tools to minimal working condition is not an option for me.

I do wish the 8” Jet or PM had parallelogram tables, but if I can put a little work into setup and know the machine is worth the time, I am in.

I am passing on a lightly used PM 6” ($750) b/c even though I could sell it for the same money, I do not want to work on two machines and move that much weight knowing it is going to be too small as soon as I bring home some wood.

I want helical for sure. So I guess this decision has been made.

Any reason not to get the straight knives and upgrade to the shelix? Seems to be cheaper (although more work). Is the Jet helical head as good or better?

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BroncoBrian

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#11 posted 03-20-2015 02:57 PM


Just wondering if you checked out the green stuff? Some of their stuff comes from the same factory (in Taiwan) as the yellow stuff.
- rwe2156

Yep – almost ordered one. Even called to get the 490X helical, but they could not tell me where the head came from, it was such a bad sales call I called back, got a different person on the phone, went to tech sales, still waited 4-5 minutes for a guy to pull up the same webpage I read 10 times, and then he started to read me the same things. “I don’t know” is a perfectly good answer sometimes.

I checked back on this forum with a few guys who pulled the trigger on the same jointer. After a year, 3/3 were unhappy with it or sold it, or spent a long time to get it fixed/working to minimum standards.

Now I understand why Festool can charge ridiculous prices for their stuff. Less than perfect is not good enough for them.

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AlaskaGuy

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#12 posted 03-20-2015 07:16 PM

6” over 8” and like the idea of the 10” shorter tables

Not good reasoning in my opinion. Wider longer is better unless your only making small projects.

With a good mobile base it’s easy to move any size jointer.

My experience includes the jointer’s listed.

4”
10’‘
12”
16’’ Jointer/planer
Some times I wished I’d went with the 24’’ jointer/planer.

Sometimes I

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BroncoBrian

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#13 posted 04-14-2015 01:49 AM

You were all correct. The longer tables and weight are not an issue especially on a good mobile base. It is very sturdy and actually seems smaller in the garage than I though it would be. I was able to build up a few other things off the floow so the Jet 8” Helical has its own parking spot along the back wall.

I have some cleaning and setup to do tomorrow and a 30 amp breaker to install.

Thanks for making the decision with me. Very helpful.

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AlaskaGuy

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#14 posted 04-14-2015 10:14 AM



You were all correct. The longer tables and weight are not an issue especially on a good mobile base. It is very sturdy and actually seems smaller in the garage than I though it would be. I was able to build up a few other things off the floow so the Jet 8” Helical has its own parking spot along the back wall.

I have some cleaning and setup to do tomorrow and a 30 amp breaker to install.

Thanks for making the decision with me. Very helpful.

NICE!

- BroncoBrian


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