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ryno101

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06-12-2009 09:37 PM

Topic tags/keywords: question tablesaw jet ridgid

So, I’ve finally convinced my wife to let me buy a new table saw… My budget is in the “under $1,000” range, which puts me squarely into the “Hybrid” category… I was ready to pull the trigger next week on the new Ridgid R4511 (after hearing about PurpLev’s experiences, I thought it was a lot of saw for the money, and at only $600…).

Then, I got an email… “JET Father’s Day Deal – Save $1100 on a Tablesaw!”

The saw in question is the – Jet 708783K JWSS-CS-PFX Supersaw 10-Inch Left Tilt 1-3/4 HP Saw with 52-Inch Xacta II Fence, Sliding Table, and 2 Cast Iron Extension Wings, at $895…

It includes a lot of extras – Sliding Table, 27” x 36” wood support table, miter with a 24” aluminum face, etc… and FREE SHIPPING!

With the Ridgid, after tax and shipping, it’s going to be around $700, and buying the Jet online would only be an extra $200.

I’d lose the Herc-U-Lift if I didn’t get the Ridgid… and I see no reference of a riving knife with the Jet, and it’s Granite top for the Ridgid vs. cast iron for the Jet. The Jet’s got a 1 3/4hp motor vs. 1 1/2 for the Ridgid, and the fence looks much nicer on the Jet.

I’m not going to be doing any heavy duty furniture production… but I do want to get a saw that will be around to hand on to my kids when I’m done with it…

So, what would the Jocks do?

-- Ryno http://shawsheenwoodworks.com


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PurpLev

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#1 posted 06-12-2009 09:54 PM

1 1/2 compared to 1 3/4 – no big difference.

I don’t care for the fact that theres no riving knive on the Jet – this is their older stock which they are trying to clear out in order to make room for their next models which WILL include a riving knives.. a good bargain nonetheless!

the sliding table is GREAT! ~$500+ as an after market accessory.

I would personally have trouble with the 52” fence as this requires the extra space – just another thing to consider.

if you have the space for it, and don’t mind giving up the riving knife – this IS a terrific opportunity.

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#2 posted 06-12-2009 09:58 PM

Check the miter slots. They are not in the standard locations on that saw. If you have a lot of stuff that uses the miter slots, you might want to look at something other than the Jet. The sliding table is a great accessory though.

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#3 posted 06-12-2009 10:16 PM

First things first…do you have 220v available? If so, the Grizzly 1023SL is $1075 shipped, and is an industrial 3hp cabinet saw. It doesn’t offer the slider but is one robust machine in comparison to a hybrid saw.

The “new & improved” Super Saw seemed overpriced when they introduced it. I can’t recall seeing any posts from anyone who’s actually purchased this version of the saw up to now, which supports my opinion that it was priced too high initially.

$895 shipped seems like a nice deal…great fence, 52” rip, sliding table, full enclosure, heavy, etc., but there are a couple of things worth considering before jumping aboard. This is an older hybrid format that uses table mounted trunnions and connecting rods as an arbor carriage. All other hybrids except for the current Delta use either cabinet mounted trunnions with either a one-piece cast arbor carriage or the connecting rods, or table mounted trunnions with the one-piece cast arbor carriage (the Jet Proshop and Workshop saws included). That’s not to say that this trunnion design will be a problem, but it has fewer advantages over the alternatives. It also still uses a unique belt system to raise and lower the blade…the original Super Saws had issues with that design, but they’ve supposedly worked out the bugs with it.

$895 shipped would have me intrigued if I were in the market for a 120v saw, but I would research potential issues with the trunnion design before buying.

Overall, I think the Jet is a nicer saw than the new Ridgid, but it’s not a “no brainer” by any means. I like the trunnion system on the Ridgid better, but I suspect the build quality of the Jet is better. The granite top is not something I’d choose if given a choice, though it has some things going for it (no rust). Motor power is probably too close to call. The slider, the Exacta II fence, and the 52” rip capacity should offset the loss of the Herculift and riving knife IMHO….you can add wheels, a good splitter, and possibly even a BORK riving knife to the Jet.

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ryno101

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#4 posted 06-13-2009 03:38 AM

Thanks… I think it’s going to come down to space. I hadn’t really thought through the ramifications of a 52” rip capacity… and realistically, with a 11 foot wide space, if I did end up with a 52” fence, I’d need the ability to move it… thus bringing the Ridgid back into the lead perhaps?

Appreciate the advice… Keep it coming!

-- Ryno http://shawsheenwoodworks.com

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#5 posted 06-13-2009 04:43 AM

My 2 cents worth… I am a 1 1/2 year old woodworker. Like you, I studied, reviewed,questioned,thought about…etc..etc..etc… my 1st table saw. Also like you, I knew I would not be doing heavy duty work. So, I settled on the Ridgid 3650. I LOVE THIS SAW! I have done more than I thought I would do and it has met every need so far. I did see a Ridgid table saw a woodworking show that I went to that a granite top (not sure of model #). Although I really liked the cabinet, I was not too impressed with the granite top. So, in summary, you need to be sure to research ALL the TS in your price range THOROUGHLY and then compare them to find the one that fits your space and need.

-- Randy, Allen Texas

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#6 posted 06-13-2009 05:01 AM

Ryan, After reading Scotts comment about the trunnion, and the odd miter slots from David – I take it back- I probably would go back with my original purchase -the Ridgid. it just works!

OR. if you’re not in a rush – I’d wait half a year to a year or so until Jet and Delta clear their old stock inventory, and come out with new models that will have the riving knives built in, and probably some other better upgrades.

Just thinking out loud – although as you know – I’m extremely happy with mine.

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#7 posted 06-13-2009 05:18 AM

Hey Ryno
As far as the Jet sliding table, I don’t think it’s worth while, they have one were I teach adult woodworking and It’s to small to do much good and it makes attching an outfeed table all but impossible to install.
The first thing after you consider the HP and price your in is the FENCE FENCE FENCE It’s the main adjustment your will use over and over on a table saw. If the fence is bad useing the saw is a pain. You can upgrade fences but it will cost you $250-$450 more. The Jets I’ve used there stock fences suck. The older Ridgid They sold before the grainte top model hade a fence that slid as smooth as butter and locked very well.
I’m with scott in that I like grizzly products,but I have never owned a grizzly table saw. One option is to find a good used Powermatic 66 ,I have the 5hp model and love it. I see them on craigs list and e bay in the price range your thinking about.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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matt garcia

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#8 posted 06-13-2009 05:30 AM

I got that same email today!! Made me wish I was in the market with a grand to spend. I have to tell you, that is an awesome deal on that saw. We are a Jet dealer at my job, and I see all the promo’s, this is the time to buy if you want it. They only have limited availability on the saw so if you want it, better get it before they’re gone!!
Even if you’re not a big furniture builder, you may be one day! And just look at the real estate on the right side of the fence!!
You should ask Damian Penney how he likes his!

-- Matt Garcia Wannabe Period Furniture Maker, Houston TX

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TopamaxSurvivor

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#9 posted 06-13-2009 05:32 AM

There are so many Powermatic on craigs list I’d up grade my old Craftsman if I had the room. The only thing I have against it is the fence. Like Jim says, if the fence is a pain, the saw is a pain,

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#10 posted 06-13-2009 05:37 AM

I would definitely buy a powermatic with a biesemeyer fence, I bought mine that way. If this is something you would consider.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#11 posted 06-13-2009 05:47 AM

The images I’ve seen of the Jet show a blade guard with what looks like a riving knife, and if it doesn’t come with one stock, I’m sure you can purchase one. the Unisaw I have in my shop are about 20 years old and they didn’t come stock with riving knives but we were able to purchase an attachment that allows us to place one in the saw. Just a thought.

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#12 posted 06-13-2009 05:52 AM

I may be uninformed but I have not seen a true riving knife that can be added to older saws.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#13 posted 06-13-2009 11:03 AM

”I may be uninformed but I have not seen a true riving knife that can be added to older saws.”

Hi Jim – The Bolt On Ripping Knife (BORK) is as close as it gets, depending on how you define “true riving knife”. The BORK travels up and down and tilts with the blade, and sits in close proximity to the blade like a true riving knife. The difference is that a “true riving knife” travels up and down vertically, while the BORK travels in a slight arc because it’s at the end of a swing arm.



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#14 posted 06-13-2009 12:43 PM

I have a Delta Unisaw, 3 hp (220v), with a 52” table and Biesemeyer fence, but I find that just as often I use my Festool TS-55, MFT/3, and CT22. Dust collection, accuracy, safety, and clean cut (even on Melamine) are all inherent in the Festool. You should consider it, although you rarely see any Festool products on craigslist (Maybe that tells you something, too.). Also, don’t forget that the cost of a table saw is only the beginning. You then have the miter unit, the dust collector, the tenon jig, dado set, zero clearance inserts, hold down units, grippers and other safety accessories, various jigs, outfeed table, etc., etc., not to mention all the room it takes up or the temptation to remove the guard.

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ryno101

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#15 posted 06-13-2009 12:47 PM

Thanks! Lots to think about…
I have been doing a ton of Craigslist surfing, have yet to see a powermatic for sale around here (Eastern MA), cause if I saw one with a biesmeyer fence, I’d snap it up in a heartbeat.

The fence… you’re totally right, and it’s because of the fence that I’m getting a new saw in the first place. I’ve been able to see the Ridgid fence up close and personal, and while it’s a definite upgrade from what I have now it’s no biesmeyer.

I think it’s going to come down to space. I need to really figure out if a 52” fence is going to work for my current shop…

-- Ryno http://shawsheenwoodworks.com

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