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3285jeff

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03-15-2015 11:19 AM

I have watched a lot of videos on finishes,,and most of them tell you to make your own which I have,,but I have yet to see a finish that compares to using triple e and then shellwax friction polish,,can anyone tell me of a finish that compares to it,,,both products aren’t cheap but they do give excellent results,,,thank you


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Wildwood

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#1 posted 03-15-2015 01:09 PM

I have never used those finishing products you listed because of the cost! Over at IAP an old Australian turner swears by the stuff. Except for very small turnings that command a high price when you sell them cannot think of a reason to buy those products.

What do all friction finishes have in common? You cannot get a build of finish or depth of sheen no matter how many coats you apply. All Shellac wax products known for gloss fade back over time and use.

Any film finishing product will give the same or better results at much less cost. You can achieve a natural look of wood or get a better depth of sheen using film finishes.

-- Bill

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CharlesNeil

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#2 posted 03-15-2015 01:50 PM

Im with Wildwood on this one

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2leggedtermite

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#3 posted 03-16-2015 04:28 AM

G’day Jeff,

I have recently started to use Satin WOP ( wipe on poly), this is applied after a couple of coats of sanding sealer, & of course sanding between coats.
This gives a really nice finish.
HTH
Col

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#4 posted 03-16-2015 02:44 PM

Jeff—If anybody knows finishing, it is Charles Neil!

One reason people like the shellac-based finishes is they are fast … sort of the ‘instant gratification’ thing. But in time, they lose their luster. Film finishes take longer to achieve the surface you want, but stand the test of time.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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#5 posted 03-16-2015 07:11 PM

Hate to burst your bubble but Shellac is a film forming finish! Over at IAP, Shellac & Shellac wax products gets a bad name for durability.

Still have desk and car pens over ten years old finished with Crystal Coat that looks great, no do not have the gloss when still on the lathe. Several years ago tried to get a durability discussion going and posted a picture of a Crystal coat finished pen. That thread died on the vine! Other products like Behlen Turner’s finish at one time a favorite finish for pool cues and pens.

What do you want any finish to do? What is the level of sheen do you want? There are tradeoffs to every finishing material available to us!

No, Shellac is not my first choice for a wood pen, only because of known disadvantages (not water proof, heat proof, absorbs alcohol, etc). On lamps, & picture frames with carvings Shellac my first choice. In side draws, blanket chest, underside of tables shellac an excellent sealer. Refinishing antique furniture cannot beat Shellac and natural waxes (bees wax) would be lost without the two!

There are so many finishing products with Shellac in the name or not listed hard to keep up!

-- Bill

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Wildwood

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#6 posted 03-16-2015 07:19 PM

Years ago made me an MDF honing wheel to mount on my lathe after reading more than a few articles. Besides wasting my time and dulling my tools in the process; quit that Op pretty fast! I do hone by hand by very quickly with my diamond card if can find it!

Mostly go from the grinder to turning. I use my Wolverine set up and also free hand sharpen my tools. You only want to dress up the edge not waste lot of steel.

-- Bill

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AlaskaGuy

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#7 posted 03-16-2015 07:24 PM

What is “triple e”?

What is ” Over at IAP”?

What is ” shellwax”?

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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Wildwood

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#8 posted 03-16-2015 09:57 PM

EEE wax & Shellwax Cream

http://www.pennstateind.com/store/finishing.html

IAP
http://www.penturners.org/forum/

Guy, hope those links helps!

-- Bill

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LeeMills

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#9 posted 03-16-2015 11:58 PM

I differ from most, my items are pragmatic for usage. I use shellac a lot (mostly). On larger items I usually burnish to a soft luster. A few small items I do use lacquer if it may receive heavy use or be in contact with alcohol.
On most smaller high gloss items I will often use Mylands friction polish which is shellac based. I don’t know but assume Mylands is similar to Shellwax. I seal with thinned shellac and burnish with 0000 steel wool prior to the Mylands.
I never measured but probably 2 drops for an item 4 inches long and 1” diameter. You may not be able to build up depth but I probably give it about 12-16 coats. On a four inch long item it takes 4 seconds max per coat and is dry by the time you can add two more drops of polish to the cloth. Looks deep and shiny enough to me but I give everything away…. if they don’t like it they can throw it away.

I have used Renaissance wax for a really high shine; it is similar to EEE I believe and the one tin I have will probably last me the rest of my time.

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#10 posted 03-17-2015 02:13 AM



EEE wax & Shellwax Cream

http://www.pennstateind.com/store/finishing.html

IAP
http://www.penturners.org/forum/

Guy, hope those links helps!

- Wildwood

Thanks,

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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