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AAANDRRREW

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03-11-2015 05:45 PM

Hi All,

My name is Andy, I live in central WI and am just getting into woodworking. I have extensive knowledge working on cars and motorcycles, but have never taken a stab at woodworking. I have a close friend who’s dad has a 60×80 or so shop with all industrial Grizzley tools and a very nice Delta Table saw (I’m guessing its a very high end one). I’ve been learning some things from him, but on an infrequent basis. I just purchased a Hitachi 10” Miter saw and have been playing around with it and learning the ins and outs.

The reason why I got into this is I’m sick of looking for furniture that will suit my needs and wants at a reasonable price. My gf has been picking out all sorts of neat things to build online, so I am getting my skills up to snuff and starting to assemble my tool collection. (I love buying tools).

Anyway, I started off with getting a ~$300 TS from Sears. After I read some of the reviews I took it back (never opened it). I had my sights set on the Ridgid saw at HD (can’t remember the model, but its the larger one with casters, not the portable one). I have the drill and impact set and like them, plus the warranty is a plus. After looking at reviews and the crap-shoot that is the alignment issues I have strayed a bit. (Also noticed the masterforce one at menards looks identical, which makes me not feel so good either). I’ve been since looking at the delta one at lowes.

The question I have for everyone, does HD or Lowes run sales on either of these saws that often? I know there are %5-%10 deals here and there with getting a credit card or discretionary discounts, but do they ever just plain ‘ol go on sale?

Thanks,
Andy


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#1 posted 03-11-2015 08:06 PM

(I love buying tools).

- AAANDRRREW

Who doesn’t?

I think you can still get the 10% Lowes coupon in the change of address forms at the post office. I have never known HD to have a sale on items like that.

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#2 posted 03-11-2015 09:45 PM

You were smart to return the $300 Cman….that type of saw is generally just not enough saw to grow with IMO. I’d go with the Delta 36-725 over the Ridgid R4512 or Cman 21833 for the same reasons you stated. See if you can find a coupon or get a moving kit. Dunno their sale schedule, but it can’t hurt just to ask a manager for 10%. Be sure to upgrade the stock blade regardless of what you get.

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#3 posted 03-12-2015 01:08 AM

Run, do not walk away from the Ridgid 4512 or the Craftsman 21833. They are the same saw with different paint.
There is a good possibility you will get one with a defective trunnion assembly that can not be fixed. The manufacturer will not fix them either. The warranty is worthless if you value your time. The damn things have to be shipped to a warranty repair center where they will most likely just scrap it out and send you another saw that is just as screwed up as the first. It is not cheap to ship a 265 lb table saw. and it usually does not happen without taking up a lot of your time.

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#4 posted 03-12-2015 04:06 AM

Andy,

I’m completely behind you doing woodworking, because it’s a lot of fun and a great way to spend your time. But it won’t save you money on furniture, no way, no how. If that’s all you want, watch Craigslist for a few months, hit the local flea markets, etc. You will do much better that way.

Just to give you an idea, I live in a small(ish) city, 150,000 people in the city itself and maybe 400,000 in the metro area, but over the past couple years, not really trying very hard, I’ve gotten all kinds of great, nicely made, solid wood furniture for a few hundred dollars per piece. A walnut bedroom set. A henkel-harris solid mahogany dining room set (for $600!). A 12-drawer solid cherry dresser for $325. A large solid mahogany dresser for $300. Etc. You couldn’t even buy the wood and hardware to make this stuff for the prices it’s available around here.

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#5 posted 03-12-2015 04:27 AM

Get the delta.

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#6 posted 03-12-2015 04:29 AM

A tablesaw is a tool you will own for a long time. Try to get a good quality contractors saw, preferably with a heavy cast iron top. I was not impressed with the Delta model at Lowes. The frame looks weak, and the accessories didn’t exactly scream quality. I bought a used Jet with an oversized cast iron top, and have been very pleased with it. Whatever you get, make sure it will accept a full dado stack and zero clearance inserts. That will be key to building furniture.
I quickly upgraded my first two tablesaws, a Craftsman and a Hitachi, after learning that they were very low quality.

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#7 posted 03-12-2015 12:33 PM

Don’t assume because its a Delta its the best. IMHO some of their low-end stuff is not even as good as Ridgid. Same thing with Porter Cable. The quality isn’t there anymore and DeWalt has them beat.

Without know what your budget is, its hard to advise you. But I will say it will be hard to buy a good quality TS for less than $750. If that’s not in your budget, I would start looking on Craigslist. You can find good deals. I wouldn’t be scared of an old Delta or Rockwell they are good saws, just take a close look at the fence. The fence is the most important part of a TS.

I would take a strong look at the 3HP 10” cabinet saws. I personally have a Jet that I paid $1500 for 15 years ago that now is a $2300 saw, so I don’t think you can go wrong making the investment.

Also, I would do alot of reading and watching. You can really learn alot of basic woodworking skills that way. Don’t try to teach yourself like I did ;-). I think one of the major decisions you should make early on is do you want to concentrate on hand tools or power tools. They are vastly different ways to do woodworking.

Good Luck.

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AAANDRRREW

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#8 posted 03-12-2015 02:11 PM

Thanks for all the comments!

As for budget, I don’t really have one – I started off with thinking $300 for a TS…then that transformed into $500 and now I’m thinking $700 (the Delta). At this current moment I cannot afford a cabinet saw, nor do I have a place to put it, so the Ridgid and Delta appeal to me because they can be moved. Now, if I run across a CL deal I can’t pass up I’ll pull the trigger, but so far just a lot of ancient, worn out craftsman saws.

As for the making furniture cheaper, I agree, I won’t come out ahead. But, for this TV I’m currently building, it’s mainly plywood and just some solid wood for the face frame etc. I have maybe $250 in it. I know if I took that $250 to a store, I would not get the quality or the features I am looking for. Plus, its a ton of fun knowing I built it.

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#9 posted 03-12-2015 03:06 PM

Have you considered the Grizzly G0771 it’s on sale and ships to your door

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#10 posted 03-12-2015 03:21 PM

Toughcut, where is the grizzley saw on sale?

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#11 posted 03-12-2015 03:42 PM

Andy, IMHO, Don’t cut corners on a table saw, period!!!!! It is the central, most important, most used and possibly most versatile tool in the shop. Everything you do will revolve around it and how you use it. I spent years struggling with a lower grade table saw and finally moved up to a high quality cabinet saw. It has made a world of difference in the quality of my work. There are lots of high quality used saws out there. Unless they’ve been totally abused and totally neglected by some idiot, they can be the answer to your needs. There’s a website,
Exfactory.com, that lists of tools, table saws included. Do your research and get the best bang for the buck.

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#13 posted 03-12-2015 03:59 PM

I have had the Delta 36-725 for about a year and a half and it served me well. If you talk to a manager they will take off 10%. I have a Woodworker II 30 tooth I use for ripping and it smoothly cuts 8/4 maple. I am sure it’s not as fast as a 3hp cabinet saw, but there’s no burning. I use a Freud Fusion for everything else and it is great.

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AAANDRRREW

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#14 posted 03-12-2015 03:59 PM

BurlyBob, would you say that the delta at lowes is in fact cutting corners?

At my current point in life, I do not have the room for a cabinet saw, nor at the current moment is my skillset good enough to maybe notice the difference – however, that may change as time progresses and I get better. But I do not plan on making some of the high end furniture I see on the project area here or high end kitchen cabinets. I am looking for a saw that will suit my needs. For example, a full size diesel truck will pull my 14’ aluminum fishing boat. But so does my little Chevy Colorado. I would saw a saw that cuts nice and square and doesn’t require tons of screwing around everytime I need to use it would be sufficient for my needs. I have a few friends that make nice stuff with older craftsman saws and like them, although they have some drawbacks.

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#15 posted 03-12-2015 04:10 PM

A cabinet saw and a hybrid style contractor saw take up about the same amount of floor space if equipped with equal capacity fences. The top surfaces tend to have identical dimensions….27” deep x 40” to 44” wide, depending on the wings.

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