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Forum topic by Brad_Nailor posted 06-05-2009 07:34 PM 9395 views 0 times favorited 67 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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06-05-2009 07:34 PM

OK..i need some opinions here…and I know asking that is a slippery slope, but I am just not sure what to do. I have recently sold some unused music equipment and I am ready to upgrade my BOSCH 4000 job site saw to a real table saw. My budget is $1000.00 to $1200.00. including tax and shipping. I have already made up my mind that it will be a “hybrid” level saw unless I find a ridiculous deal on a better used saw on Craigslist. I have been going back and forth between the Steel City Granite hybrid #35930 with a 30” fence. It’s on sale at Highland now for $899.00 with a Forrest WW2 blade. But they want like $200.00 for shipping. I am also looking at the Rigid granite top hybrid like the one Purp bought, that would be the least expensive and I would have to pay tax but no shipping..I think i can get that for less than a grand total. The saw I am really leaning twords is the Woodtek saw with a 30” fence. Its sold at This saw will cost me $1056.00 total including lift gate service. The 2008 fine woodworking tools and reviews named it the best value and best overall in that hybrid price range. It had the best out of the box alignment, most powerful motor, and even though the its a 30” fence it can cut to 36” right of the blade. It also has a sturdy built in mobile base and a Biesmeyer style two rail fence. I have looked at both the Rigid and The SC in person and I like them both but on paper the Woodtek has them both beat, except for the granite top but I am still on the fence as to weather I even care about granite or not. I have been reading allot of negative stuff about SC table saws both here on the forum and in other reviews. I really like the Woodtek, and I have found a few reviews of it and they all seem to be good. I just wish I could check one out in person…I hate buying blind. I trust FWW reviews..I have bought several items on their review recommendations and have never been sorry. So I am asking all you guys and girls…what do you think? Is there anyone out here that owns a Woodtek? Please give me some feedback cause the dough is burning a hole in my pocket and I want to order a saw…but which one?


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#1 posted 06-05-2009 08:09 PM

David, for what it’s worth – I’m not sold on the granite too – I think if anything it’s a cost reduction feature for the MFG. – I can’t really tell if it’s better of worse than CI – so lets just say that it’s different. both have pros and cons and I dont believe there’s an ultimate winner on that part. so far – it works great for me – really. I like it’s smoothness, and I like the fact that I can clamp anything to it if I wish to using regular clamps (no ribs on the bottom).

no. funny thing is – my route was EXACTLY yours – a couple months back – only I sold my bosch too soon before getting the replacement – so my pocket was burning hotter.

I went and checked the SC when it just came out to the stores (before SC had them in their HQ and knew anything about them- go figure) and wasn’t impressed. maybe I expected more.

it boiled down to price for me – and when I did a bit more searching I became familiar with the ridgid version. here was my factoring reasons:

Ridgid’s table saws had a good reputation.

Ridgid CS had a good reputation

Ridgid’s warranty surpressed SC’s

HD is ‘just around the corner’ should I need to return/exchange/support

for the price difference – I could buy the extra WWII blade – but since I already have one – I’ll just pocket the change.

I’m very happy with the saw.

The Woodtek looks terrific – it definitely has a better fence than the Ridgid saw while the SC35930 has the best fence between those 3 (their ‘standard’ deluxe fence). with the ridgid you will probably need to upgrade /mod the fence – I’m not too excited about mine – but it works great for the price I paid ($450 out the door). I can’t see on the Woodtek if it’s just a splitter of a riving knife – thats another thing to consider. as it was my major concern about getting a new saw (after using the bosch 4100 – I couldn’t get a saw without it).

I think it really depends on your personal preference, as all 3 will give you similar quality performance. each with it’s sweet spot ($$ / Fence/ Digital readout).

you’re welcome to stop by someome and play with the ridgid in real time – give you an idea how the ridgid and SC will behave power wise and precision wise.

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#2 posted 06-05-2009 08:24 PM

Hey Brade
Take a look at grizzly I have a half dozen of there tools and they have given me great service. I think Don just had his delivered and should be doing a review on it. They did have free shipping but I don’t know if that’s still on. I think Don was told that steel city might be going out of business.

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#3 posted 06-05-2009 08:27 PM

Brad, keep your eyes on craigslist also. I see powermatic and delta unisaws go for $1000 all the time on there. These saws will be all you ever need, and will last your lifetime, and possibly the next guys.

-- Julian, Park Forest, IL

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#4 posted 06-05-2009 08:35 PM

Brad – The Woodtek is the same design and made in the same factory as the General International 50-220, the Sunhill, and Craftex hybrids. The biggest differences are what gets bolted on to the cast and steel structure…fence, motor, switches, etc., plus the retail circumstances and warranties are different.

I have no doubt that any of the hybrids you mentioned can be made to do an excellent job….end performance is largely determined by proper setup and blade selection. A couple of comments though… I read and enjoy reviews too, but I’d only give a reivew a tiny bit of influence on my final decision…afterall, a review is typically based on one person’s opinion or possibly a small team’s opinions, and what’s important to them may or may not be important to you. Ultimately you’ll need to make an executive decision based on which one you like best.

Saw alignment as received from the factory is not necessarily indicative of what you’ll get when you buy, so I’m not sure why reviewers even mention it. The machines are set very closely at the factory, then get shipped and handled…the alignment that the customer actually receives is fairly random based on what kind of handling trauma it was subjected to. Plan on aligning your saw periodically…you may want to consider how easy or difficult it is to align as opposed how closely the reviewers machine was aligned as received. Also, perceived power is influenced by many factors that go beyond motor power…pulley ratios, power transfer efficiency, fence alignment, blade choice, surface friction, feed rate, etc…these saws should all have ample power that’s fairly similar. Considering that the power differences aren’t very significant, it’s a small consideration IMHO. Other aspects may be more important to you. All of these saws have a steel t-square type fence like a Biese (or Biese Lite), and most are left tilt so it’s easy to slide the front rail to the right for more capacity…you’ll lose some left side capacity, but with a left tilt saw you’re not likely to ever use it. Another consideration for the Woodtek is resale value…I doubt it’ll fetch what some of the others will later on…

I’d add the Jet Proshop, Grizzly G0478, Grizzly G0661, Shop Fox W1748, and Craftsman 22124 to your list of hybrids to consider….all very capable with different strenghts and weaknesses. I had teh 22124 for over 3 years and was very happy with…it took a great deal on a 3hp cabinet saw to sway me to sell it. I’d strongly consider adding 220v to your shop if you don’t already have it, skip the hybrid and contractor saw class altogether, and go straight for an industrial 3hp cabinet saw like the Grizzly 1023SL ($1075 shipped), Shop Fox 1677 (~ $1149 shipped), Jet Exacta, or Steel City Deluxe cabinet saws.

Good luck and keep us posted!

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#5 posted 06-05-2009 08:36 PM

My Dewalt Hybrid table saw lasted about 10 years before it quit and getting a new motor was 375$ so opted to push it into a corner and use it a junk table … someday a router table. I really liked it a lot and miss it.
That I would recommend.

I ended up buying the Craftsman Hybrid saw. So far so good, it has worked fine. The fence is different then the Dewalt, but looks like it will be more versatile because of the t-nut tracks etc. Not as powerful as the dewalt, but great for my hobby.

wish I could help with the woodtec and steel city … no experience here.

I do own the steel city morticing machine. It is a good tool and would recommend that piece to anyone.
not sure if you noticed this review …

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#6 posted 06-05-2009 08:49 PM

PS. a guy in RI is selling the dewalt hybrid saw with a 52 fence and a sliding table for ~800 – worth checking out. it’s posted on craigslist ( and there’s a couple of Delta Unisaw in there as well from $400-$1000

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#7 posted 06-05-2009 09:06 PM

”My Dewalt Hybrid table saw lasted about 10 years before it quit and getting a new motor was $375…”

Dan – Isn’t the DeWalt motor a standard NEMA 56 frame? If so, many properly rated 1.5 to 2hp motors will work, which opens up all kinds of less expensive options.

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#8 posted 06-05-2009 09:11 PM

Scott – the dewalt uses a proprietary motor – and no after motor/other brand will fit the frame – thats one of the pitfalls of that saw. you’re bound to use the dewalt motor.

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#9 posted 06-05-2009 09:19 PM

i cant remember who spoke about the stopsaw model on here but i must say i loved the look of it just a shame they dont ship to the uk

just my surgestion mate


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#10 posted 06-05-2009 09:19 PM

Ouch! Thanks for clarifying.

This brings up a good point….it seems to me that the GI used a proprietary motor, which could mean that the Woodtek does also….definitely worth checking into!

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#11 posted 06-05-2009 09:20 PM

I would second a taking a look at the Craftsman 22124. It comes standard with a Beismeyer fence. (No deflection whatsoever) I was able to pick mine up for $700 from sears on sale. Price varies all the time. You can put your hands on it and see if you like it in the store. No complaints after using it for the last five years. Regarding the granite versus cast iron top…I like being able to use magnets on the surface. Personal preference I suppose.

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#12 posted 06-05-2009 09:22 PM

Like one of the World Class Woodworkers said, “A used Powermatic is beter than any new saw on the market.” Craigs list is full of them for about $1,000. I wish I had the room, but I really don’t need a 52” cut anyway. I’ve been watching Craigslist lately. There are a lot of good tools for some good prices on there. I just bought a Mikita electric jackhammer for $475.

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#13 posted 06-05-2009 09:23 PM

brad, i bought the craftsman pro hybrid about 4 yrs ago and LOVE it, although i told myself i was never going to get another craftsman, but with the sales on it at the time i couldnt pass it up, anyways on the box on the side was steel city stamped on it, it is identical as the steel city (without granite) it is 1.75 hp and has never let me down and never failed to cut anything, i would upgrade the blade though, but that is it, grizzly has some great products also, i have the bandsaw and 24” drum sander. just my two cents

-- Brad J

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#14 posted 06-05-2009 10:23 PM

I own a woodtec machine and it’s one of my best’s a 20” disc sander but I feel it was about as good of a machine you can get.. the disc still turns for about 2 minutes after you shut if off meaning the bearings and balance are perfect.. I also have a grizzly sander that too works perfect..I guess what I’m saying is these machines, while although not saws..are well made and work perfectly and have held up for many years of use for me and if a manufacturer can make the sanders good..I think they make the saws good too.. I might be a little prejudice here when it comes to buying non industrial machines mainly because of all the trouble I have had with home improvement models, but the budget is the bottom line.. I have learned very early on, to buy the absolute best you can afford, even if it means saving just a tad bit longer..

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#15 posted 06-05-2009 10:58 PM

What about Delta I have a friend who swears by his. Do they make one you like within your price range?A good saw should really last a long time .I am not a big fan of dewalt which I find is NOW very very highly overrated I prefer makita stuff anyday.Alistair

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