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Forum topic by kolwdwrkr posted 05-29-2009 07:09 PM 1537 views 0 times favorited 53 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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kolwdwrkr

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05-29-2009 07:09 PM

So I was searching around peoples profiles a little bit, mainly guys who have been here for a long time and are on the 1st and 2nd pages. Guys that have posted a lot of comments as well as projects. I’ve noticed that several of the people have gone. People like Rikkor, The Timber Kid, Thos. Angle, Mot, PanamaJack, Don, Bill, Paul D, Bob Babcock, jeanmarc, Frank, bigbuck, Greg Mitchell, and on and on.

I can understand some people may have had a busy month. But we are getting into numbers from 45 days to over 200 days. Curiosity has killed this cat. Where did everyone go? Where were the goodbyes? And more importantly what was the reason? I understand that a lot of people have had health problems and I’d hate to think that people left because of things happening on LJ’s. Of course I have thought about calling it quits here on many occassions, and can name a few others who have as well. But the site is a joy to be on, even if there are a select few that cause problems with each other. Take Allison and I for example. I don’t want to fight with Allison. She does an excellant job with the intarsia she does. Brings up some decent conversation that we tend to have our indifferances on but that’s the way it works. Hopefully she can forgive me for all of my rants, as I forgive her for hers. We are all supposed to be friends here, and share our experiences. Even if we don’t see eye to eye all the time. Allison and I do have dissagreements, but we are both Lumberjocks and in my opinion should be able to see past the small stuff and carry on as friends.

And that is what I hope some of the people who left can do if that was the problem. They have posted some great projects, and I know they can be of great value here on lumberjocks. I want to take this time to invite them all back. Give us a second chance to make things right and better. More enjoyable for you. If not, please write why you left. Maybe you are to sick to do woodworking and don’t think you can contribute. Well that’s not true. You still have the knowledge of the work, and at the least, can contribute to the coffee lounge.

A post was posted earlier about the coffee lounge. I think the coffee lounge is the reason why people want to leave. It can cause anger. But to have a community that is friendly you need to know more about the people involved. More on a personal scale. That is what makes us friends. I know you do beautiful work, but who are you? The coffee lounge helps us figure that out. It tells us when someone is feeling under the weather, as well as gives an opportunity to get things off of our chest that aren’t related to woodworking. Take that away and people leave to find a venue to do so. We do woodworking in the garage, shop, etc. We don’t woodwork on the computer. We help people, tell stories, search for information, joke, and take jabs. This site is the perfect place to do it all.

So come back soon. We all miss your projects and experiences that we can learn from.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~


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PurpLev

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#1 posted 05-29-2009 07:20 PM

yeah, I noticed that as well, it seems like there are seasons where different LJs bloom… for some people LJ is the place to hang around when everything else is calmer and not as busy, but when business is picking up – LJ will have to go down the priority ladder.

time will tell. but like you, I hate to think that people ‘left’ because of things happening here on the site -I doubt thats the case though.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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Dick, & Barb Cain

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#2 posted 05-29-2009 07:22 PM

I PM’d a couple of guys yesterday, but no answers yet.

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

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#3 posted 05-29-2009 07:24 PM

Keith, I think you just have too much time on your hands to worry about all this stuff. :-) (kidding)

I suspect people stop coming around for a variety of reasons. For some, the novelty wears off and they get bored with it. Some probably find it so addictive that they realize it is taking away from their actual shop time. I know for a fact that Don, the great boxmaker, stopped hanging around because the site got too big and active for him to keep up with. I’m sure others have left for the same reason. And I imagine a few have left becuase they didn’t feel comfortable with the bickering in the coffee lounge.

Things change… people change. Some adapt, others move on. That’s pretty much how things are with every aspect of life. It’s not just a Lumberjocks thing.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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Francisco Luna

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#4 posted 05-29-2009 07:29 PM

me too. I was wondering about the very first member who responded my first comment here…Mot(Canadian)...where is him?

I remember Lumberjocks when I first came to the site -Nov-Dec. 2007- a very familar place,”an small town”.........I think that was the reason many people was here.

-- Nature is my manifestation of God. I go to nature every day for inspiration in the day's work. I follow in building the principles which nature has used in its domain" Frank Lloyd Wright

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#5 posted 05-29-2009 08:08 PM

It’s the homeopathy effect.

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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Dan'um Style

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#6 posted 05-29-2009 08:15 PM

Lumberjocks has changed a bit in the past couple years … gotten bigger and I say … even better … 10,000 members is allot , but give it ten years … with the exhibited fast growth …I predict there will be 10,000 members on the site everyday and a million lumberjocks strong !!! GO LUMBERJOCKS.

I think Charles hit the nail on the head as far as lumberjocks and why people come and go … kind of like the woodworking hobby itself. Some people jump in with both feet and a year later sell all their tools.

Good topic !

-- keeping myself entertained ... Humor and fun lubricate the brain

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#7 posted 05-29-2009 08:25 PM

I have to agree with Charlie, you have way too much time on your hands.

Keith, Rants are fun to read most of the time. I usually don’t pay too much attention. I know for me, It’s reading the same questions asked over and over. For some reason not many are reading reviews when they have a glue question or the like. In stead they put a question out there. Also, that search box above isn’t used as much as it could be.

Speak of Rants …. sorry but that is why I might disappear from time to time. My back is killing me today. This has given it a small rest. Now it’s back to the shop …...

-- Odie, Confucius say, "He who laughs at one's self is BUTT of joke". http://woodstermangotwood.blogspot.com/ (my funny blog)

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#8 posted 05-29-2009 08:32 PM

Keith let me give you a short list of some things that annoy me and see if there is a common thread:

1. New poster comes on only to get specific info for his needs and is never seen again.
old timers try to work magic from the poor description and lack of parameters and are usually told that it is not the answer being sought. He or she gets what they want and is never seen or heard from again.
(Time Better Spent in the Shop) =============== TBSS

2. Poster wants the best advice for buying a(XYZ) machine and in the same breath tells us he has only $$ or even better a fictitious budget!
Where are we supposed to get that information? most of us have only owned a couple of upgrades for our shop. ===============TBSS

3. Constant inferences to personal philosophies either in the tag lines or in conversations here.
It never seems to occur that this might make some folks uncomfortable nor does it seem to matter. *TBSS*

4. You spend an hour or better recording the steps in your project and carefully blog the result for another hour with text to embellish the project and it is _swept off the 10,000 computer screens in a matter of seconds._ ==TBSS

5. An upset tool purchaser uses the forum to vent his spleen regarding a bad deal he dug himself into and in doing so hijacks the entire forum for days on end, insults those the disagree with him, while a half dozen people play Philadelphia lawyer for the amusement of the other 10,000. =============TBSS

I could go on but I am sure you get the idea.

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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kolwdwrkr

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#9 posted 05-29-2009 08:37 PM

Sorry Odie if this question or concern has been posted over and over. I don’t pay attention I guess. I’m to self absorbed. I do have to much time on my hands, most of which I try to spend seeking employment, or trying to sell the work I’ve made. No luck either way. Ranting is a strong suit of mine, one of which I fully intend on toning down. In fact, don’t expect me to comment here much anymore unless it is on a project or a topic I start.
People don’t look at reviews and such because maybe they don’t want to waist so much time searching for the answer when they can just ask and have responses right away. Reading to me sucks, especially when I am coming in from the shop to ask a relevant question. I want the answer fast so I can get back out there. I truly don’t care if somethings been asked or posted a thousand times. It wasn’t me asking, and I’m not looking for it. I think a lot of people feel the same way, which is why they ask instead of look.
This post in particular was my way of inviting people back, its not a way to get attention otherwise. I miss the ramblings of Frank as well as seeing new projects from people who have been here for so long. We aren’t 10,000 strong unless people use the site. As of now we are less then 5000 strong in the sense that so many people have never posted here, and so many people are leaving. Lets forget the large number and look at the facts. It’s still a small site, filled with a bunch of avatars. I for one would like to know those who inspire me here, and make it a community. But that’s just me trying to be friendly.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

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CharlieM1958

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#10 posted 05-29-2009 09:22 PM

Off the topic a bit, but in response to Bob’s observations:

My favorite is when some newbie posts a question that could be answered with a 30-second Google search. And then a dozen of us regulars Google it up and spit out the answer like trained monkeys. :-)

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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gotmarko

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#11 posted 05-29-2009 09:42 PM

I’m back on one of those first couple of pages, but I don’t show much activity around here because I use a RSS Reader (currently Google Reader, previously Bloglines) to watch all the posting activity. So, while I see everything within a day or so of posting, I’m just not visiting the site directly.

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Kindlingmaker

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#12 posted 05-29-2009 11:55 PM

CharlieM1958, perhaps if all the answers to all the same repeated questions were written down and posted then when the same question comes up the asker is to refered to “The List”... ie: where to buy wood on line? what is the best glue, what tools should I buy and where… That sort of thing. ...but then perhaps we would lose that personal touch of welcoming and the hope that the new person stays and becomes a lifelong LJ…

-- Never board, always knotty, lots of growth rings

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#13 posted 05-29-2009 11:58 PM

FAQ page is a another good idea

-- keeping myself entertained ... Humor and fun lubricate the brain

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#14 posted 05-30-2009 12:04 AM

I tend to agree with Charles first statement , But I suppose there are people who are more curious about what has been in the past then myself.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#15 posted 05-30-2009 12:59 AM

I am new to the site, so I do not know what has happened in the past. But I can say that I LOVE it and the short time I have been a member, I have met some very nice people who enjoy the same hobby as me. I met a ‘neighbor’ on this site who went and visited with last week and bought a planer from him while I was there. This website is nothing short of GREATNESS! Thanks

-- Randy, Allen Texas

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