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a1Jim

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05-23-2009 09:11 PM

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I guess I have been posting to much lately. As many of you have stated to me and newcomers LJs is addictive. With work coming to a screeching halt most of this year I thought I would start all those projects I have on my list to do and I have found my self starting and finishing many projects. I have kind of found my self in a stall and engrossed in anything and ever thing to do with LJs commenting day and night on everything in sight on LJs to the point I’ve had a couple of Lj members accuse me of just wanting to see how large a numbers I can have on posts. But that was not my intent, I thought the more members I could boost there confidence for beginners or comment to the master builders ,the more i would be a positive force to Ljs , I know I must have over done it when I got those couple PMs saying your just trying to build up your post number. The other thing one of these individuals said that my comments had no content, that they were two to four word comments. I thought I would see if that’s true and checked many of the long term members and found many of them do the same (not all) . So I still felt I am doing good to acknowledge there work with a “well Done” verses just not commenting at all. Lets face It some projects there photos are not able to view because of poor photography with maybe less then two words as descriptions. So how do you comment on that, Do you say poor photo bad description or do you say thanks for sharing. I prefer the latter. I’m trying to make sure my comments are meaningful and supportive to all. I’m now back in my shop working on projects and won’t be a posting maniac. I think the whole group of LJers are good folks and I really do try to be helpful and supportive.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture


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GaryK

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#1 posted 05-23-2009 09:20 PM

I comment on a project I like, and I tell them so.

I comment sometimes to welcome a new member.

I comment to answer questions when I have an answer.

I comment to help a fellow LumberJock.

I comment on things that interest me.

I don’t comment just to comment. I don’t like to type so I try to use as few words as possible.

-- Gary - Never pass up the opportunity to make a mistake look like you planned it that way - Tyler, TX

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lew

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#2 posted 05-23-2009 09:26 PM

Jim,

We all post “atta boys”. As you said, sometimes picture quality, few photos or lack of knowledge on our part prohibits little more. To me, a post with NO responses would make me wonder just how bad the project might be!

I try, for the most part, to add a comment pertaining to something that I find particularly interesting or something that I really like about the project. I know how good it makes me feel when someone posts inquiries, constructive comments and thoughtful comments about my posts. Sometimes, I fail to add those types of comments. I should not permit myself to be lazy. What bothers me about leaving an honest inquiry/comment is that I forget to go back and check to see if there is a reply. If an LJ answers my question, they deserve to have it read and, if appropriate, a response is due.

Lew

-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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woodshaver

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#3 posted 05-23-2009 09:33 PM

I hate typing also, and I can’t spell so well (thank goodness for spell check)
When I look at all the projects that are posted and see some with no comments I almost feel bad for the person that crafted it. For me I’m always looking for a comment of any kind. Maybe it’s like what Jim said. Not enough information to made a detailed comment, so he just says nice work, I’m happy with that. I have posted a few items and Jim has made some very uplifting comments on my work, which make me want to do more. I see that he makes many comments and it only made me think he wanted to give the crafter a smile and a pat on the back. Keep posting Jim I enjoy your post just as I do everyone else’s. And when your finished with a project I surely hope you will post it here.
The reason I stayed on with Lumberjocks is because of people like Jim and his comments. I don’t think he is about “numbers” at all. Can wait to see your next post Jim!!!

-- Tony C St Augustine FL, My high school shop teacher said "You can do it"... Now I can't stop!

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BlankMan

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#4 posted 05-23-2009 09:44 PM

I try to post more then two or fours words also, not to get my word count up ;) but to explain why I said what I said or why I think what I think. I think that helps in understanding and may convey ideas.

I’ve noticed that too, people post something with a question to another poster and it goes unanswered. I try to check the threads I’ve posted to sometime later, just to see if there was a post to what I said that I need to reply too. I figure if you’re going to share an idea or advice there is a good chance you’re going to have to follow up on it. When I don’t get a response to a question that kind of irks me and I consider it somewhat rude. But that’s just me.

I don’t get it either, do people think that the one post and run is all they have to share? I tend to think not, especially the people with more experience and knowledge and when a question is sent their way it’s another opportunity to share that experience and knowledge. I think that’s why we’re all here.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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ellen35

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#5 posted 05-23-2009 10:11 PM

We are all in this together. The meaning of “community” it is communicate – no matter how long or short the thought. I value each and every comment on my projects or forum questions. What makes LJ different is that we have people who DO comment and encourage others to post. If no one ever commented on my projects, I’d stop posting…and end my association with the community. Jim, don’t even give a thought to how OFTEN you post and HOW MANY WORDS a post contains. I value your thoughts about my projects and my other posts and I value the fact that you do take the time to look at a project or other post. Jim has also been encouraging to posters that others have overlooked. Keep it up Jim, we need all kinds of posts…they are all valuable. Go Jim!!!
Ellen

-- "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." Voltaire

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TheCaver

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#6 posted 05-23-2009 10:14 PM

I understand not wanting to shame someone out of woodworking, and insulting someone’s project just to be mean is not helpful, but sometimes when I see these ‘great job’ posts on obvious terrible projects, it makes me wonder what the person is really gaining from our collective expertise.

I don’t think it’s helpful to prop up poor skills just to be nice. I think being nice encompasses REALLY trying to help the person take his skills to the next level. I’d rather see no posts at all on projects like these than a bunch of good jobs where you have massively gapped joints, or no thought for grain or expansion, etc….

These people may not be aware that what they are doing is wrong or unsafe, this is definitely the case in one particular LJ who is posting video all the time, and I just cringe waiting for an injury to himself or a fellow LJ.

So, to the OP, while I understand your reasons for posting the atta boys, I think you’d do everyone here a great service by just letting them go, or trying to improve the quality of the item or skill in question…

As for unanswered posts, it’s hard to remember all of the posts/projects and blogs you are in….If you don’t get an answer on something, just send the person a private message and get your answer or alert them to the post….

JC

-- Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. -Carl Sagan

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mtnwild

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#7 posted 05-23-2009 10:23 PM

Do you win something for the most posts? I must have missed that.

I post because someone made me look and I also like to let people know someone appreciates their effort.

I can’t type either, one finger search. Would like to comment more but there are way too many.

Would like to thank Keith for showing me how to make a paragraph.

I’ve been the recipient of your posts and I really do appreciate the time you took to at least say something. Thanks and let the posts move you.

-- mtnwild (Jack), It's not what you see, it's how you see it.

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Milo

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#8 posted 05-23-2009 10:34 PM

Jim,

Your nice to people, encouraging, and seem li ke an all-round decent guy to me.

Me, sometimes I’m not.

So, to all those folks that are giving Jim a hard time (and I could guess who some of them are),

Bite me.

Keep up the good work, Jim! You look just like my first woodworking instructor, who I got along great with.

-- Beer, Beer, Thank God for Beer. It's my way of keeping my mind fresh and clear...

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Dick, & Barb Cain

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#9 posted 05-23-2009 10:45 PM

Jim

I believe that what you’ve said on any of my posts, have been true to heart.

You can tell when someone is faking it. I think that most of the Jocks here are just like you.

Why would anyone want to hurt anyones feelings anyway?

I have a gallery on another site that has had over 440,000 views, but only about 6 comments.

I’ll take you people at Lumberjocks over that site anyday.

If you want to find out if there’s an answer to any of the comments you’ve made,

use the new feature Martin just setup recently.

Click the button that says: Post my reply and add this topic to my watchlist.

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

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Rustic

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#10 posted 05-23-2009 10:51 PM

Don’t feel bad about posting. That what this site is for. Just my 2 cents

-- www.carvingandturningsbyrick.com, Rick Kruse, Grand Rapids, MI

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MrWoody

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#11 posted 05-23-2009 10:57 PM

Jim, post away!!! If you want to make a comment; no matter how small do so. If you are posting to boost your numbers; SO WHAT !
Your posts are positive and upbeat.
Please ignore the people that have a problem with your postings.

-- If we learn from our mistakes, I'm getting a fantastic education.

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degoose

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#12 posted 05-23-2009 11:10 PM

I wasn’t going to post just incase someone thought I too wanted to boost my ‘numbers’. I sometimes feel that a little critique would be helpful but I don’t feel that I am qualified to make that kind of judgement on someone else’s work,. on the other hand I have posted a few suggestions and have been rewarded with replies confirming my comments. I too relish the atta boy but also some of the comments help me to see how I can improve my work. I have also seen other ljer’s answer questions not directed to them and it is great that we all feel comfortable enough at this site to be able to do that.
GaryK Ditto to your comments.
Jim Keep Up The Good Work
D&BC Thanks for the reminder about the watchlist/.

-- Drink twice... and don't bother to cut... @ lazylarrywoodworks.com.au For lovers of all things timber...

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CharlieM1958

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#13 posted 05-23-2009 11:11 PM

Okay, I’ll beat this dead horse some more. :-)

I try not to get too crazy about the whole posting deal. Sometimes I feel like being wordy and making an honest critique of something. Other times, I’m pressed for time, but I really want to give a thumbs up to a project I like. In a perfect world, I’d usually make longer comments than I do. But I’d rather say a couple of words of praise about something that catches my eye than ignore it completely because I don’t have time for a lengthy post.

And yes, I have been known to say a positive word or two about a sub-par project. Not to directly lie and say “that looks fantastic”, but to find something good about it, like “nice wood combination”. It depends also on what the poster says in his description. If the project has bad joints, and he comments on the trouble he had with them, I will definitely try to offer helpful advice. But if he seems real proud of the piece, and does not ask for comments and/or criticism, I’m not going to bring up his poor joints.

My thinking on this: I made some projects when I was starting out that I was proud of at the time because I put a lot of time into them, and executed some new skills. Looking back at some of those projects today, they were pretty bad. But I knew my work was not up to professional standards. “Atta boys” from friends and family kept me working at it and practicing, and the quality of my work slowly improved. I’ve got two eyes to compare my work to the other projects on this site, and I figure that guy who posts the shaky project with bad joints is capable of doing the same. If his excitement over finishing a project he has worked hard on has temporarily blinded him to his own mistakes, I see no need to burst his balloon. So my theory is to offer help when it’s asked for, and otherwise just try to give positive encouragement.

The bottom line is the golden rule. Treat others the way you’d want to be treated. The only trouble is that we are not all the same in the way we want to be treated. As long as your individual strategy for commenting/not commenting and criticizing/not criticizing is done with good intentions, this will remain a great site. Follow your conscience when you comment, and allow others to follow theirs .

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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a1Jim

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#14 posted 05-23-2009 11:40 PM

Thanks to all for support and constructive criticism. I do believe in advising someone if I think there engaged in a unsafe activity. And I do admit to probably propping up some bad skills in order to help some one feel good about woodworking. I hadn’t thought about it but I might leave short comments to save typing or because my grammar is bad and my spelling worse. I know I have not gotten back to people because I can’t find the post to see if questions have come in, so I hope If I can’t find it they will send me a PM and a number people have. I’m glad when people take time to comment on this blog and I really enjoy all of the positive post others have for each other. Its good to know there’s a way to get notice on a subject you have posted on.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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Scott Bryan

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#15 posted 05-23-2009 11:59 PM

Jim, keep posting away. Your comments are always welcome and positive as well as constructive.

-- Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful- Joshua Marine

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