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Garbanzolasvegas

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02-26-2015 11:34 AM

IS it too much to ask that a tool do at least close to what it’s advertised to do, or at least work/run?

IS it to much to ask that drill bits be sharp out of the box?

IS it too much to ask that a square be within say at least 5 degrees of being 90 degree square?

IS it too much to ask that any kind of measuring devise be at least within a 1/16 of a correct inch?

IS it too much to ask that a level be at least 5 degrees of being level?

I MEAN SHEET!

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Tennessee

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#1 posted 02-26-2015 12:11 PM

With the mass production procedures, shoddy quality control, and overseas manufacturing where the quality is only as good as the owners demand, the answer unfortunately is apparently yes, it is too much to ask.

I myself have older measuring tools that I use not only on a daily basis, but use to check newer ones that I might buy. I also find that most are not worth a hoot.

As far as drill bits, forget the sharpness, I’d like to get a set where they come out of the box just straight! Sharpness I can do in the shop myself.

-- Paul, Tennessee, http://www.tsunamiguitars.com

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joey502

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#2 posted 02-26-2015 03:15 PM

Where are these tools coming from? Big box store for the most part are not quality tools. They stock Asian made contractor tools, not accurate tools.

Precision and accuracy cost. It comes from specialty retailers and originates from the USA, Japan, Germany, Canada, the Swiss, Italians etc.

The measuring errors can be avoided somewhat by building to fit vs. building by a tape measure. Use steel scales to measure things under 24”

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#3 posted 02-26-2015 03:21 PM

I have the same problem with large squares. A friend takes them to his work and reports they are 1/16 to 3/32 of an inch out of square over 24 inches. It is hard to find a large square with any accuracy. I finally ordered Woodpeckers high precision square. They said I should get it sometime in May. It will be interesting to see how accurate it is.

-- Jesse, Saint Louis, Missouri

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Woodbum

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#4 posted 02-26-2015 08:54 PM

You have a way of stating what most of us think but never say. Good on ya! Unfortunately you get what you pay for with the stuff you mentioned above. In the beginning I suffered through the same sheet based upon the disposable income that I had to spend on these items. As time went on, I upgraded to better quality stuff after saving a little for the purchases and found that I got closer to what I paid for, and was pleased with the results. Quality control-or lack there of is a real problem when it comes to the accuracy of lower grade measuring and set up tools. You might need to spend a bit more to get a lot more quality. Just my opinion and I could be wrong.

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REO

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#5 posted 02-26-2015 10:32 PM

I haven’t seen troubles that drastic. most of my tools are from the big box unless I have built them myself. squares have been square levels have been reliable. I have heard people complain about one tool and praise another when both were made by the same company with the same tooling just a different insert in the die. Tape measures are printed and the registration is difficult to monitor. It is easy to square up a square. you can bet the die that punches them out is on the money. Place of manufacture doesn’t really make the difference it is all about what is acceptable to the majority of people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JKhI09-ctOY to square up a combo square
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=azMBpXqDJW0 for squaring a framing square

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Garbanzolasvegas

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#6 posted 02-27-2015 02:22 AM

My comment about the sharp drill bits out of the box comes from my experience buying a set of brad point bits from Lowes! First time i used them I and to push then through the wood! HARD!

I took them and looked closely at them and it was like someone had done this on purpose. The cutting surface was ground OFF! FLAT! Every damn one of them! Like someone purposely ground of tang edge to do the work. I mean it was incredable

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#7 posted 02-27-2015 02:32 AM

I don’t get you

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Garbanzolasvegas

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#8 posted 02-27-2015 02:34 AM



I don t get you

- Avimaelwoodworking

THE CUTTING EDGE of these brad point drill bits have purposely been ground off! THEY WILL NOT CUT! BRAND NEW

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Garbanzolasvegas

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#9 posted 02-27-2015 02:34 AM

I guess you all need a pic Give me a hour!

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#10 posted 02-27-2015 02:30 PM

My response would be depends on what you get.

Precision squares are just that, and I’m still using the set I had many years ago.

The last drill bits (fische) were great.

My router bits (Whiteside) are great even after a lot of use.

Don’t use levels too much, but I’ve got my Dads, so it’s right on.

My Starrett/fastcap tapes are on the money but then I don’t mix and match using tapes (thanks for that tip dad).

Question, where and what brand of stuff are you buying?

-- Sooner or later Liberals run out of other people's money.

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Garbanzolasvegas

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#11 posted 02-27-2015 02:32 PM

By the way I have to let you all know all these defective units I did buy at either Home Cheapo or Lowes… I won’t ever do that again…

Buy scrwes and sheet like shop vacs there BUT never buy anything that has to be accurate and constant.

Hell My Primary girlfriend got me a porter able drill press for X-mas from lows and the run out on it is like a wash machine spin drying with a concrete block in it.

Its embarrassing.

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Garbanzolasvegas

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#12 posted 02-27-2015 02:36 PM


I guess you all need a pic Give me a hour!

- Garbanzolasvegas


I tried to get a good pic of the bits points but Just cant with this iPhone. But if you look at them close it like someone ground off the cutting edge. I have a big aluminum square and a hand square, they do not line up with each other and the inches on one does not match the others. on the hand square at the 4 inch mark is like a 64th short of what the other one is. I MEAN is it that hard to make a square square or a real inch?

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verdesardog

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#13 posted 02-27-2015 02:52 PM

Garbanzo, you seem to be complaining about a lot of stuff. Nothing in this world is perfect. I guess if you want perfection then you need to go to heaven and meet your maker, that’s the only place you will find perfection…..

I’m not saying you should die, just trying to get a point across.

-- .. heyoka ..

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#14 posted 02-27-2015 02:53 PM

Started making my own squares now. Also, ebay “Starrett squares”. I use dial calipers a good bit now so I am in the good for 6”.

Dont trust anything till you check it.

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