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Forum topic by SCOTSMAN posted 05-01-2009 09:22 PM 4952 views 0 times favorited 26 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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05-01-2009 09:22 PM

I ask because they seem to be dead as a dodo here in the Uk what a pity I have quite a few of their tools.It’s annoying really you buy from them and are stuck for accessories parts etc.Alistair

-- excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease


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#1 posted 05-01-2009 09:33 PM

Who knows what Black and Decker has going on, I doubt that they are going bust when they just came out with a new Unisaw. Not that I’m impressed with that decision, I mean really, ever hear anyone complain about one of the handwheels on the side of the cabinet ? I think that was more of a management request then it was a consumer request.

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#2 posted 05-01-2009 09:55 PM

According to my local Lowe’s, they are slowly phasing out all their Delta tools. And then Delta is phasing out all of their mid range tools, they will only be carrying high end tools, and then very low end tools. I asked about accessories and parts for the tools I already have and was told that they will still make all parts for anything they have made in the past.

Again, this is what I was told by Lowe’s, which may or may not mean squat.

-- Don S.E. OK

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#3 posted 05-02-2009 12:13 AM

I wouldn’t take much stake in what a employee at Lowes, Home Depot, Menards or any other hardware outfit has to say. They don’t pay them enough to know anything other then how to tolerate some of the public.

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#4 posted 05-02-2009 12:30 AM

Can’t imagine how, since B&D doesn’t have any brandname under their flag which specialize in light machinery.
But even if that happens Delta might be alright for spare parts, since that is tied in with Dewalt/PC system, so you can still request for parts unlike other companies which completely disappears. Although I don’t think companies usually make parts for discontinued machinery, they only sell what spare part stock they have. They estimate the failure rate of products and make all spare parts along with production runs. It would be too costly to make parts upon request, unless they are very dedicated

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#5 posted 05-02-2009 02:13 AM

Redshirt, Black and Decker owns Delta, Porter Cable and Dewalt. They all merged about 3 years ago even though they are keeping their own Names. They also bought out Oldham saw and router bits.

-- Jerry--A man can never have enough tools or clamps

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#6 posted 05-02-2009 02:21 AM

B&D doesn’t have any brandname under their flag which specialize in light machinery ? Your kidding right ?

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#7 posted 05-02-2009 02:23 AM

No I’m not kidding. I was working for Oldham building displays when this all happened.

-- Jerry--A man can never have enough tools or clamps

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#8 posted 05-02-2009 02:33 AM

Light machinery? Well, we used to have a Porter-Cable service center in Tampa. Awesome place for a distributor like myself to pull product from, send warranties to…you know, customer service.

They (B&D) closed that store in their infinite bean counter wisdom some 4 years ago. Then, they had the service center moved to a B&D center in Clearwater, Fl. Why do I tell you this? The B&D “light machinery” part…when walking in to that “B&D service center, their claim to fame was an orange cordless lawn mower that they were so proud to display smack dab in the center of that showroom. Next to it sat a Porter-Cable 7519 3 1/4 HP touter….light machinery? Yeah, they have it.

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#9 posted 05-02-2009 02:34 AM

I was responding to Reds comment. I knew what B&D bought. But actually they never bought DeWalt, DeWalt has allways been B&D’s industrial line. If it wasn’t for DeWalt, they probably couldn’t have bought out the others.

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#10 posted 05-02-2009 02:41 AM

Dead on. Without the success of Dewalt, they would not have had 775 million to make that buy.

-- David, Tools4solidsurface.com

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#11 posted 05-02-2009 02:58 AM

Your right, Dewalt has been part of B & D for years. And DEwalt has carried B & D to where they are.

-- Jerry--A man can never have enough tools or clamps

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#12 posted 05-02-2009 03:01 AM

Do you remember what Dewalt was before they painted everything yellow, produced it offshore, dumped the majority of it at Big Box and marketed the hell out of it?

Not much…

-- David, Tools4solidsurface.com

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#13 posted 05-02-2009 04:50 AM

In the old days DeWalt must not have done too bad on the old radial arm saws, I sure see a few around.

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#14 posted 05-02-2009 05:39 AM

Consumers are to blame for the bulk of the reminiscing, gripes about quality that we have today. Things where moved to China when it was discovered that people where buying all the junk that came out of china ant it was killing their ability to compete. All those POS 14” bandsaws (like JET) used Rockwell castings to create molds to make the knock offs and peope bought them as fast as they can. Now they lament the lack of good quality tools.

Dewalt was Dewalt (under their own owndership) untill AMT bought them around 1950, then 10 years later B&D bought them.

B&D has owned Dewalt for almost 50 years now (next year), many of the giant 16” 3phase saws you drool over at the lumber yard where produced under their ownership.

Delta isn’t going bust, Pentair drove it into the ground and cut quality/cost as fast as they could the last few years that they owned PC and Delta, B&D is trying to find a profitable area of business to focus on.

One of the old tools guys that owns Unisaw serial A-100(oldest known Unisaw in operation from the 1st year of production) was invited to the factory to see the new Unisaw and HE says its a great saw. That’s more than enough for me. The Unisaw has been a joke for the last 15 years,

I’m happy to see them reinventing it and renewing their commitment not just to a name/shape but to an industrial quality saw.

Its a sad state of affairs when Milwaulkee Electric Tools is owned by a Hong Kong based company, and there are only 2 Tablesaws produced in the US and only 1 of those is a 10” someone may use in a non production shop setting.

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#15 posted 05-02-2009 06:20 AM

I guess I didn’t know that about Dewalt. I have some AMT equipment that I bought before they went under, and a little old 8” table saw that I stumbled upon somewhere. I’m not sure if thats the same AMT your talking about. Time will tell on the new Unisaw, if I remember correctly it will be made in the USA, can’t complain about that. When you say that the Unisaw has been a joke for the last 15 years, do you mean that because it was imported ? I talked to a gal at Delta just a couple years ago about the Unisaws, and she told me the X5 series were made in the USA.

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