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Forum topic by AHuxley posted 04-23-2009 01:06 AM 1043 views 0 times favorited 5 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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AHuxley

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04-23-2009 01:06 AM

Hello all, I have lurked here for a few months and finally registered as I have a reason to post.

First, I am a hobby only wood worker and have always struggled with cheaper contractor saws since it just never made sense to drop the coin at one time since I usually made things as a better/cheaper alternative to buying the furniture. I also always needed a new tool for each new project more than I needed to replace my TS, and I ALWAYS need a few new clamps.

I have decided to spend between 2K and 2.2K on a new saw BUT thats all in. I know I could get a better set up by spending the full amount now on the new saw and add goodies later BUT the money isn’t really the issue other than this is the amount I am willing to spend today AND in the future (outside replacement blades etc).

This is where I am at:

Griz 1023SLW ($1,125 w/ free shipping)
Shop Fox HD mobile base from Griz
Forrest WWII
ZCI
Incra 1000SE
Incra TS-LS saw and rounter fence system/ joinery system

This puts me right around $2,200 to my door.

I LOVE the Incra stuff and although the fence/joinery system might be guilding the lily a bit it makes me giddy to work with one.

So what would you guys do differently, just keep in mind I am a disciplined kinda guy and have set this as resonable to spend so I won’t be spending more on the saw “system” later I’ll instead be upgrading other things or buying more of something else… (like clamps, why can I never get enough new clamps?).

TIA


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PurpLev

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#1 posted 04-23-2009 01:33 AM

hmm… for once , theres a bad review on this saw right here on LJ.. you should look it up.

secondly , Grizzly just came out with a new model that has a riving knife. I think that’s one of the simplest safety devices that is worth gold! as all new saws are required to have it, I would think twice about getting a NEW saw without one. but thats me.

other than that, Incra is great stuff.
I think you’ll get better responses if you give several options for the saw… giving only one – theres not much people can offer… other than “good” or “not good”

good luck with your purchase… new tools are always a reason to celebrate ;o)

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marcb

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#2 posted 04-23-2009 01:42 AM

I find the WWII blades to be highly over rated.

I spent a little more but have a better ripping blade, a better cross cutting blade and a decent combo blade. Both single purpose blades are Freud, the combo was a Porter Cable that I found on clearance.

I use the combo blade to get most everything to rough size. really large stock goes to the dedicated rip.

Then you can finish up with the rip/cross cut from smoother ends.

I also don’t buy ZCI’s just route them out of hardwoods or plywood. A lot less money goes down the drain when you screw it up. A cheap 2’ x 4’ piece of plywood will give you more blanks than you can believe. Great for dado work too.

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Woodchuck1957

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#3 posted 04-23-2009 04:12 AM

I would do nothing, the Contractor’s saw I have works plenty good. But if you absolutely have to have a cabinet saw, find yourself a used, good ol American made Delta, or Delta/Rockwell Unisaw.

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knotscott

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#4 posted 04-23-2009 01:06 PM

It looks to me like you’ve done some good research and have a very good list. The Griz 1023 is an excellent value with a very large following, and is a very well proven saw. There are thousands of happy owners, and dozens of favorable reviews. The G0690/0691 has an updated fence and built in riving knife that are nice features for not a lot more money. If the inclusion of the Incra fence system means you won’t be using the Shop Fox Classic fence, will you be selling the stock fence? (more money for something else!)

I’ve read a fair number of emphatic complaints about the Shop Fox mobile base, and would consider doing a little research on that before committing to it.

Good setup of the saw and blade selection determine the overall performance of your saw. For optimum results, blade selection should be very much proprietary to your saw and what you cut. The 40T WWII is an excellent, well proven, and versatile general purpose blade, but no general purpose blade will offer excellence in the more extreme cutting ranges of both thicker ripping and fine crosscuts…..there’s never a free lunch, which means something’s given up for every gain in another area. There are some logical alternatives depending on what you cut. If you cut a fair amount of thicker hardwoods, consider getting the 30T WWII instead of the 40T…it cuts nearly as cleanly as the 40T, still offers glue ready edges, yet gives suitable crosscuts in most situations. If you cut lots of very thick dense hardwoods, it’d be better to get a 24T dedicated ripper (ie: Freud LM72, Infinity 010-024, Amana Tool RB1020), and combine it with a dedicated 60T to 80T crosscut blade for your fine cutting needs (ie: Freud LU73, LU80, LU85, Infinity 010-080, DeWalt/Delta 7646, Amana 610600, DML Golden Eagle). If you tend to cut more plywood, veneered materials, or laminated sheetgoods, consider going with a 40T Hi-ATB blade like the Infinity Super General (010-044) or Freud P410 Fusion….both of these blades will still rip well in the 2” to 2-1/4” range, but offer crosscut and sheetgood performance that’s more like a good dedicated plywood blade than a standard general purpose blade like the 40T WWII.

Good luck and enjoy!

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Damian Penney

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#5 posted 04-23-2009 04:53 PM

For the blade how about a FinalCut cuts and sands in one step and has gotten some good press recently.

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