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Adrock1

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02-06-2015 01:58 AM

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw

And I can’t decide what to do!

Long time lurker here. Love the site. I’ve been a wood worker off and on for about 25 years. Never really had a shop of my own. Just access to some equipment from time to time.

Now that i own a house Im setting up my own garage shop. Going to replace my portable table saw with something better. Hopefully something can serve me for some time to come. This will be a garage shop and I’ll likely never have a dedicated building or space for my shop. So full blown 3 HP cabinet saws are out. I’m limiting my options to 110 volt saws.

This puts me squarely in the contractor saw or hybrid saw class. I can stretch my budget to $750 at most but would prefer to keep it under $600. Ify budget were 500 higher there are a few options I would be happy with. Within budget I’m struggling to make a choice though.

I’m down to the delta 36-725 for a contractor saw or if I stretch my budget the new grizzly G0771 for a hybrid.

Both are relatively new. I have managed to find great reviews of the delta. My main attraction is they appear to be tuneable and stay true throughout their range of adjustment. If that’s the case I can live with the other compromises of split fence rails, steel wings, etc. As long as its precise and stays that way I’m good.

As far as the G0771 goes I have not found a single user review. I know the G0715 was not immune to alignment issues so I’m concerned the new G0771 could have that problem. It stretches my budget for sure but I really like the full cabinet for dust collection (which is a big sell for me), cast iron wings and slightly more powerful motor. It would be plenty of saw for my application and really nice compared to a contractor saw. So assuming the thing can be setup to be precise and stay that way I’m inclined to stretch myself.

So what do y’all think? Is it worth rolling the dice on the unknown grizzly? If I got a lemon will Grizzly make it right or take the saw back for a refund? Or should I just save some money and go for the delta which has a bit more of a track record?

Thanks for enduring yet ANOTHER Table Saw recommendation thread. Lol


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#1 posted 02-06-2015 02:07 AM

If you check the exploded pictorials of each, you’ll see that the inner workings of the G0771 are very different than the G0715P. That said, I’m not overly fond of the fence they chose for the G0771. It does have cast iron wings going for it. (To bring up the exploded pictorial of the G0771, you need to bring up the exploded pictorial from the G0715P from the parts list, then type “G0771” instead of “G0715P” in the URL address)

The Delta has a better fence IMO, steel wings, lighter duty trunnion system, smaller motor, lower price, longer warranty, and easier return privileges.

I don’t feel strongly enough to suggest one over the other, but wanted to provide some insights for you. ...in the end, get what you like. With good alignment and good blade selection, they should have comparable capbabilities….so leave some budget for a decent blade.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Adrock1

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#2 posted 02-06-2015 02:52 AM

Interesting feedback on the fence on the grizzly. Would like to hear more on that. Do you have any hands on experience with it?

I actually laid hands on the delta at Lowes the other day and the floor models fence was not as solid as I expected it to be. A little lateral pressure on the rear of the fence generated some deflection. Pretty significant, like an eight of an inch even though it was locked down.

I assumed/hoped that was simply the result of the floor model being pretty poorly set up for display.

Any way long and short was that I left feeling a little iffy on the fence for the delta too.

Still can’t decide. I really wish I could find at least one user review on that grizzly. I may have to be the one to take one for the team on that saw. Right now I’m leaning towards the “buy the most saw you can afford” school of thought and the grizzly does have some nice features compared to the delta.

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#3 posted 02-06-2015 03:05 AM



I actually laid hands on the delta at Lowes the other day and the floor models fence was not as solid as I expected it to be. A little lateral pressure on the rear of the fence generated some deflection. Pretty significant, like an eight of an inch even though it was locked down.

I assumed/hoped that was simply the result of the floor model being pretty poorly set up for display.

- Adrock1

I have no experience with the Delta and can’t speak for it’s actual quality, but I have been in many stores where the display models have either been poorly assembled or have been picked apart.

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finns

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#4 posted 02-06-2015 04:08 AM

Hey. I have owned a jet contractor saw for a dozen years or so. It’s still going and is a great saw. I’m in the market now for a replacement and am going with a cabinet saw due to dust control and power. My advise is to save until you can get the saw you want. A TS is a big expense but don’t buy something you’ll regret later. I don’t mean to preach but understand where your coming from.

I have numerous Grizzly tools in my shop and have had positive experiences with their products and support.

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MinnesotaMarty

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#5 posted 02-06-2015 04:31 AM

Adrock,
I understand your dilemma. But, I don’t think you can make a wrong choice from where you are now. You’ll have a very good saw either way. I have had a Delta Contractors saw 25 years ago. great saw. I have had Grizzly for the last 20 plus, Only to sell because of downsizing. I am going to get another saw within the next year and I am going to get the Grizzly GO771 and I am going to wire it with 220 volts. A good table saw is the “mother ship” of a wood shop. Don’t let $300 be the determining factor. Save a little while longer to get the $300 more if you think that is what you want.
Remember, you can’t make a mistake at this point. Good Luck.

Marty

-- I can see the cheese heads from here and it is great.

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#6 posted 02-06-2015 04:39 AM

I wish I heeded the advise given to me before I got my “insert your hybrid saw here” on this site.

You will out grow it very fast if you do any serious hobby work.

I love my steel city hybrid saw, “You can click my home button for a pretty elaborate review.”

That said, I have well over $1,100 into mine to make the fence to my liking, relocating the rails etc etc. It adds up fast. If I were to do it again I would save for a one time buy.

If I had my way in retrospect 2 years ago I’d have saved up for a proper TS and run 220.

If your as stubborn as me you won’t heed any advice given and go for the impulse buy and be disappointed in the long run.

Paul

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#7 posted 02-06-2015 08:23 AM

Most of the lighter new saw designs have a shroud around the blade with a dust collector hookup on the shroud.
With this design the cabinet has little to do with dust collection.
Just my two cents.

Now my other comment would be that I think a good solid fence is the second most important thing about a table saw. Right after a good solid trunnion that holds alignment after blade height and tilt adjustments are made.

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knotscott

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#8 posted 02-06-2015 10:42 AM



...A little lateral pressure on the rear of the fence generated some deflection. Pretty significant, like an eight of an inch even though it was locked down.

Could definitely be part of a setup problem, but either way, there should little no lateral pressure at the end of the fence. Yanking on the end only proves the principles of leverage. Press laterally before the blade and see how it does….that’s more indicative of what’ll happen during a cut.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Adrock1

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#9 posted 02-06-2015 01:25 PM



I wish I heeded the advise given to me before I got my “insert your hybrid saw here” on this site.

You will out grow it very fast if you do any serious hobby work.

I love my steel city hybrid saw, “You can click my home button for a pretty elaborate review.”

That said, I have well over $1,100 into mine to make the fence to my liking, relocating the rails etc etc. It adds up fast. If I were to do it again I would save for a one time buy.

If I had my way in retrospect 2 years ago I d have saved up for a proper TS and run 220.

If your as stubborn as me you won t heed any advice given and go for the impulse buy and be disappointed in the long run.

Paul

- Paul

I get what your saying and its sound advice. Always a good idea with things like this to buy as much tool as you can. I have a budget I need to stick with though. I could go down to woodcraft tomorrow and hand a wad of cash to the salesman and leave with a brand new sawstop cabinet saw if I wanted too no problem. But there are other priorities, not the least of which is my first child on the way. So I have to prioritize. Every dollar spent cuts into my budget for another tool or project so I need to try and stick to my self imposed limit on this one And avoid the temptation to go big.

And I know what I’m giving up by doing so. I have 25 years of wood working experience. About twelve of that was as an engineer and production manager for a major furniture manufacturer. I have plenty of experience working with and around nearly every type of machine you can think of that makes saw dust. Most of my experience with tablesaws for the last 15 years has been with massive 5+HP 480 volt three phase industrial monsters with solid cast iron cabinets. Saws that make a 3hp unisaw seem dainty and underpowered by comparison. Heck, the last place I worked our dust collection system was 1300hp.

Anyway my point is I know precisely where a hybrid saw will put me in terms of capacity and capability and I’m quite comfortable with that for what I do. In years past I owned an older model delta contractor saw with the motor hanging off the back so I have experience with that class of saw too.

My problem is, now , as I return to the hobby after leaving the furniture industry as a career there are a lot of new options out there for the hobbiest and I’m struggling to figure out which is the best option of the new crop of saws in my price range. As I said in my original post my main criteria is a 110volt saw and one that I can dial in and expect to stay true through its range of adjustment. I just want to pick the most robust and capable option in the 500-750 range.

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jacquesr

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#10 posted 02-06-2015 01:40 PM

I can assure you the split rail design is not ann issue whatsoever.
And I am very picky about accuracy…
The Delta is a very good buy. I would buy it again any day.
The fence is very solid and stays put. You can get if for $500.
Check my posts I explain how.
I equip my shop with all new decent and excellent stuff lately… one of mt most trouble-free purchase.
And great help from Delta when you need it.
PLUS great support here too… Very important if you run into an issue.
Will be easy to sell when you want to upgrade….

All things being equal, with the Grizz you get a cabinet, so better dust collection.
I am going to spend time closing my enclosure to improve DC.
Good luck.

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goochs

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#11 posted 02-06-2015 02:22 PM

I have a delta 34-444 which is the old contractors saw with the external belt driven motor. I put it on casters to move around in my garage. I wouldn’t sell it for anything. It is spot on and very heavy. Picked mine up at a garage sale for $200 and once I navel jellied the top the saw looks like brand new. I replaced the miter with an incra miter 1000se but see no reason to replace the fence- very easy to adjust both fence and truing the blade. They are out there used and I would never hesitate to buy another Delta , used or new

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Adrock1

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#12 posted 02-06-2015 02:44 PM

Yeah. I’m checking craigslist pretty regularly to see if steal shows up. I really wanna go new though. I know good deals can be found on used stuff but I find it so time consuming and costly to hunt the deals down.

Case in point. Responded to an add for a “new never used” 6” jointer for $300. It was craftsman 21706. Sounded like it was worth a look as a 6”/jointer is on my list as well. Hooked up my trailer and drove 45 min to see it. It didn’t appear to have been used. Still had thebwax paper on the fence. But it was stored in an outdoor leaky shed for years. Rusty, full of spiders, painting rubbing off, parts missing. And when he plugged it it just made a buzzing noise, dimmed the lights and never spun up. He fooled with it and finally got it running but I passed.

That’s typical of my experience with craigslist. Burned half a tank of gas and two hours time for nothing. If I have to weed through a few lousy deals like that for every machine I buy I won’t come out saving much if anything in the long run.

While I man my mind up on a new saw I’ll keep my eyes peeled for a use saw if its local and looks way too good to ignore. I’m not optimistic though.

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goochs

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#13 posted 02-06-2015 04:20 PM

FYI, I use my router table setup as a joiner and it works awesome for edge joining. I have a planer for surface thickness. As far as the router table I set it for about 15 thousands on the outfeed fence then make about 6 passes for a perfectly joined edge. Gota love the incra LS

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#14 posted 02-06-2015 04:43 PM

Hi Adrock1,

I will chime in with a few thoughts.

First, with your tablesaw I would go for the grizzly G0771. You will like the dust collection, extra stability and you can add a nicer fence to it down the road if you want. Don’t forget the importance of blades. Spend some money on those. I use a Forrest Wood Worker II 40 tooth combo blade for everything. My saw is a 3HP though. When I had a 1.75 I changed blades more often on thick stock to a ripping blade due to having less power.

As for jointing use your tablesaw. http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/375/

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xmargman

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#15 posted 02-06-2015 05:14 PM

I had the exact same concerns about the Grizzly G0771. There are No Reviews yet, G0715 certainly had some alignment issues etc… But the Saw fit into my price target and certainly was happy to read all about the positive customer service Grizzly provides. So I took the chance and purchased the Grizzly G0771 last week. This is my First big purchase getting back into the Hoppy as my Son just turned 14 and loves woodshop class. So this will be a great opportunity to teach and learn with him.

As for the saw…

Good news and sorta bad news so far. : )

The Saw arrived in perfect condition. only problem… it was missing 1 of the 2 boxes.

Dealing with UPS was ok but ended up calling Grizzly customer service about the shipping problem. They were on it right away and have called me back twice already. They also have already shipped out another box. It will arrive on Monday. So I have to wait a little longer to get it all setup and tuned up.

-- Frank, Nebraska

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