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Nate L.

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02-06-2015 01:02 AM

Topic tags/keywords: hand plane

Just bought this off Ebay…
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Keen-Kutter-Number-4-Smoothing-Plane-KK4-Fully-Restored-No-4-4-/161574701921?
It arrived today. I am just getting into adding hand tools to my shop and am a novice when it comes to anything other than basic knowledge. I have attached a few pictures of the plane that I received. Is this ‘fully restored’ as stated in the auction? It does not appear to be to me but then this is the first used plane I have bought so I thought I would get some expert input. =)

-- Nate, Las Vegas, http://nateswoodshop.com


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willie

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#1 posted 02-06-2015 01:13 AM

I would not consider that to be “fully restored”. He may have removed some rust but not much beyond that. I’d want my money back.

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#2 posted 02-06-2015 01:35 AM

Definitely not fully restored. There’s still marker lines on it from where the person was checking to see how true it was. And then there’s the nick in the blade. Whoever it is did a poor job on that one. It doesn’t look all that bad, but it’s not restored.

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#3 posted 02-06-2015 01:41 AM

Fully restored seems to imply it is in nearly new condition, meaning functioning like a new plane, and looking pretty darn good too. I’m not seeing your plane as meeting these criteria, but it is a bit of grey area.

Do you mind telling us what you paid? If fifteen bucks, I’d probably let it ride. Over forty bucks, and my feelings are hurt.

I’m no master restorer, but forcing myself to learn sharpening and plane tune up basics has led to more enjoyment than if I hadn’t. I did buy my first couple handplanes from guys here, who had them singing for me. It was rust finds that helped me to experiment and understand more fully.

If you got this one fairly cheaply, it could be an opportunity to expand your knowledge base and experience.

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#4 posted 02-06-2015 01:46 AM

If you follow the ebay link that I included, it will take you to the actual auction so you can see the pictures that were included. They do not look like the ones I took, IMO. I ended up paying about $57 including shipping. Shipping was $22 but I kind of just factored that into the cost of the plane. Reading up on that model, it seemed like a good one to start with and learn how to use. One of the main reasons I got it was because the auction stated it was ready to use, so I thought it would be good to see how it should be set up and work my way from there. I have been working on sharpening my honing skills and honing my sharpening skills =) with the scary sharp system and this blade does not seem to have been run over any type of flat surface.

-- Nate, Las Vegas, http://nateswoodshop.com

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#5 posted 02-06-2015 01:56 AM

fully restored tome means looking like new, with original parts,think mint condition.There is still rust on the sole,sharpie lines,chipped blade.I would call it clean condition not fully or partly restored;but I see that alot on flea bay,complete! antique! and they’re missing the tote,no iron or lever cap,buck bros.
sure looks different than the photo;funny how lighting works.
but you can take the chip out of the iron and have a user.

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#6 posted 02-06-2015 01:59 AM

I agree there, Nate. Over fifty bucks, advertised as restored and ready to use, that must mean the iron has been re-shaped as needed and sharpened. A good candidate for return/refund. Looking at that iron, you’d probably not do anything but gouge the workpiece. No lovely shavings coming from it without some elbow grease.

I’d return it, and ask guys here for any bench plane needs. There’s always someone with an extra jack or smoother. Can give a couple names if you like.

-- Support woodworking hand models. Buy me a sawstop.

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#7 posted 02-06-2015 02:01 AM

I agree not fully restored. I looked at his ebay pics and I could see stains, rust, sharpie lines in the ebay link and even the nick in the blade. The seller definitely picked the “cherry” pictures to make this more difficult to see but to me that waved even more of a flag. If a guy doesn’t put a dead on picture of the sole and blade you better be wary in my book.

I would contact him and ask for partial refund but would take a little blame for this also. When the pictures and description don’t add up you should have passed or asked questions.

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#8 posted 02-06-2015 02:07 AM

I always want to see the mouth of the plane as well when purchasing. Best ones are ones that show the planes assembled and disassembled.

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#9 posted 02-06-2015 02:13 AM

I can see the sharpie marks in the pics but there is no clear picture of the blade to be able to see the chip in the blade and it is far from the mirror finish that he describes. I guess I made the mistake of taking part of it in faith as he seemed to know what he was talking about in the description. I did send the seller a message letting him know about how things didn’t match up. Hopefully things go smoothly with getting it straightened out. I guess I should have just gone with a new Veritas ;).

Buckhead: If you have any names, that would be great. I am looking for a #4 or #4 1/2 as that seems to be one that can be used for many different tasks.

-- Nate, Las Vegas, http://nateswoodshop.com

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#10 posted 02-06-2015 04:33 AM

That is a sad looking “restoration” – and I’ve done far more than my share.

The dead grey finish is normal for electrolysis, citric acid and evaporust—but there’s no excuse for leaving it on there and calling it “done.”

Secondly, that sole looks horribly pitted to me. I don’t think you can hold out a plane in that condition as being restored.
Restoration means that it has been brought back to (“restored to”) original (unused) condition (or damn close to it)

If the plane with which you begin is heavily pitted, then you probably can’t get it to such condition.

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Nate L.

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#11 posted 02-06-2015 04:45 AM

First off, thank you for all the feedback. Since we have established that it is definitely not in fully restored condition, should I have been able to tell that from the pictures on the listing? I am willing to take responsibility for making a poor choice. It seems like the pictures really masked the imperfections, at least to my untrained eye. If the pictures do portray close enough to the real condition, I am thinking I probably deserve to eat it and chalk it up as a lesson learned. I just don’t have enough experience or knowledge to really know. Thanks again for all the help!

Nate

-- Nate, Las Vegas, http://nateswoodshop.com

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#12 posted 02-06-2015 05:59 AM

He flat out lied IMO. I don’t see a mirror finish in that blade. You can tell that it isn’t fully restored but it is misrepresented big time. This is exactly why I haven’t purchased a plane off of eBay yet. I would ask for a partial refund but I wouldn’t return it. I am turning in to a big Keen Kutter fan!

My wonderful wife just got me a KK8 for my birthday that I’ve have my eye on for a while. I’m in the process of doing an ACTUAL full restore on it. They are casted well, they are unique, and the cutter is almost as twice as thick as a regular Stanley.

You can turn that plane in to a great user with a few sheets of sandpaper and a little elbow grease.

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#13 posted 02-06-2015 11:58 AM

Contact the seller and get some money back. The plane certainly isn’t fully restored, but a good fully restored and tuned would also be more expensive.

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#14 posted 02-06-2015 01:11 PM

Yes, the pics at ebay show enough for an experienced eye to know it is not fully restored. The sole and sides tell me they have not been lapped, and the face of the frog has not been touched, unless he lapped then lightly before the evaporust, but they are by no means fully lapped. The condition of the knob and brass nut, as well as the tote, are not restored. From what I can tell, it would be hard to argue he did not do what he said in the description. I think he did those things, just not to any extent. So yes, you got suckered, a little, maybe $10. It was your choice to pay $22 for shipping, which is $10 too high for a #4. The pics don’t mask anything, your inexperience does, and that’s ok.

All in all, it doesn’t appear to be in bad shape, and can be worked over a bit to make a good user. So you got bit for $10 on your 1st used plane purchase? Provided the plane has no major issues (I don’t see cracks or broken pieces) you got yourself a fairly cheap lesson in what to look for. I got suckered for more than that when I started out buying planes.

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Nate L.

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#15 posted 02-06-2015 08:38 PM

OSUS:
Thank you for your input. I am chalking it up as a learning experience. I knew the shipping was high but it seemed like a non factor due to the price of the plane, so I was looking at the overall combined cost. The seller didn’t claim that the sole and side had been lapped. He did however claim that the blade was sharpened to a mirror finish and the tool was ready to use, neither of which was true. I have asked for a partial refund, but have not heard anything back. The seller replied to my initial message stating that he was sorry that I was disappointed with the condition of the tool and that he would have been will to answer any questions and/or provide more pictures before the purchase.

-- Nate, Las Vegas, http://nateswoodshop.com

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