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04-20-2009 01:04 AM

The raging discussion concerning Laguna was just copied and pasted to Woodworkers

I wasn’t going to put my 2 cents in, but I think these forums are being used as a bully pulpit.

-- TheShadeTreeWW If God wanted me to touch my toes, he'd have put them on my knees

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#1 posted 04-20-2009 01:49 AM

So… he/shes going around to other woodworking forums bashing Laguna now? -.-

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#2 posted 04-20-2009 02:23 AM

IMHO… if the person signs-up a ww forum then seeks advice as to what to do before starts publicly condemning the second party, I think it make sense.

-- masrol, kuala lumpur, MY.

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#3 posted 04-20-2009 02:59 AM

yeah, I think it has gone a bit too far. there are ways to handle things – but hey, I don’t need to see the same post in 3 different places, this copy paste extravaganza is somewhat annoying.

good point woodworm. I think signing up just to bash a company is a bit much, although in this case, it seems like the guy is out of ideas how to deal with it, as it seems it has been going on for a while now, and he has already depleated all the normal methods… hard to judge over a WW forum though… read it with a grain of salt. learn what can be learnt, pick what can be picked, and the rest is for eternity here…

oh well.

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#4 posted 04-20-2009 03:19 AM

If I read it right, the Laguna tech tried to call and talk to him before Laguna posted anything. It seems like he knew that and ignored the calls so he could get more sympathy from us LJ’s. The only posts he made here on LJ’s were to his bashing of Laguna. It appears Laguna is trying to deal with him but he’s refusing for whatever reason. It looks like there is more that he is not letting us know. There, my 2 cents also….........LOL

-- Jerry--A man can never have enough tools or clamps

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#5 posted 04-20-2009 03:34 AM

I don’t agree with posting something that is just for the sake of degradation. But if this person has had ill-experiences with a particular company than that person has the right to tell people. After all, we do live in a capitalist country. I would be much more annoyed if that person had made multiple copies and posted them on the SAME forum, but since he/she is using other forums on different sites than that is his/her choice. All he/she is trying to do is get his/her opinion to different people (which one would believe that different people can be reached on different website forums). If someone has had poor relationships with a particular company I want to know about it, so that I may take that into account when deciding to spend my hard earned money.

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#6 posted 04-20-2009 04:00 AM

Since this is a woodworker’s forum for THE WOODWORKER, I think that posts like that always teach you something….

1. The poster is uncreditable, don’t ever read said person’s post again…
2. Someone had a problem with said company’s product, buy with caution…

I posted a similar post here today after my router gave up on me. I did so not to discredit the company, but to INFORM all the lumber jocks who I have gained a wealth of information from. I hope they would not ban that sort of post because everyone knows that there is a quality issue with a lot of companies now-a-days and as consumers, it is always good to come to sits like this one before making an educated decision on where to spend your hard earned money.

-- Chuck, Wisconsin

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#7 posted 04-20-2009 04:06 AM

got no beef with informed about problems others have had with tools and services, but that guys post went to far, and the knee jerk reactions it got just pissed me off. One dog started barking and the whole street joined in.

-- if the hand is not working it is not a pure hand

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#8 posted 04-20-2009 04:12 AM

Chuck, they’ll start banning/removing those posts when someone goes on a trash the company tirade that is in no way justified, defames the company, the company proves monetary loss and said company wants to make a legal example of a forum allowing it. I took the forum off of my web site a couple of years ago as I got tired of wasting my time babysitting.

BTW, This aint our fathers Craftsman as it relates to your router.

I have 40 yr old Craftsman routers in my collection that will blow away the the stuff on the market today!

-- David,

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#9 posted 04-20-2009 05:58 AM


What you stated about the 40 year old router is exactly what’s upsetting about the current corporate philosophy with many companies now. Seems somewhere along the lines they think it is “wiser” to make a cheaper product. I’m not sure to the reasoning behind it because I wasn’t invited to their meetings, but I assume it is because it is more profitable to do so.

I know there is competition out there. But does a company really have to resort to selling junk to be competitive? I am more than willing to pay for quality. It is a wise investment. Seems the world is going to hell…. I’m not sure if it’s the fact that there are too many Joe the Wal-mart shoppers, or if it’s just plain corporate greed…. More probably a combination…..

Just my two cents.

-- Chuck, Wisconsin

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#10 posted 04-20-2009 06:58 AM

A lot of this corporate thinking started after the dot-com bust. Many companies try to generate cash flow without providing anything of value for the customer.

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#11 posted 04-20-2009 07:55 AM

I agree with Chuck E, While I consider myself as tight as bark on a tree when it comes to my money, and shop around for the best deal to the point of being obsessive, but I still pay for the quality. I would much rather pay a $1000 plus for a piece of equipment that will be trouble free and last for years to come, than buy a $500 piece that is not dependable and will not last.

True I am out more money in the beginning, but in the long run you save money/time and trouble.

-- Don S.E. OK

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#12 posted 04-20-2009 01:16 PM

40 year Craftsman?
I had a saber saw (jig saw, now) that lasted 50 years before it gave up the ghost.

I have an old Craftsman router. I will have to take it out of the box to see why I don’t use it any more. It was bad 15 years ago.


-- No piece is cut too short. It was meant for a smaller project.

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#13 posted 04-20-2009 04:36 PM

Chuck, without going in to a 6 paragraph dissertation on my opinion of corporate philosophy, I guess it’s just as easy to say that they would not make it if there was not a market for it.

I had a company that shall go nameless come to me and offer a 10”x60T Triple Chip saw blade that I could sell to you for $19.00 ! I took one look at the blade…absolutely terrible welds, swirl marks on the face of every tooth, plate had mega run-out…laughed at the rep and sent him on his way. Obviously this blade was made in good ol China. But you know what? Last time I talked to that rep, he had sold over 10,000 of them. There is a market for cheap crap.

I asked on another forum one time if the folks gloating about the “great deal they got on a…get this… $22.00 1HP router” ...I asked if they were really proud of that? Proud to be Americans buying this junk and putting American workers out of business.

The forum banned me…

-- David,

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#14 posted 04-20-2009 05:01 PM

There is definitely a market for cheap crap and that’s one of the reasons that Harbor Freight exists. But amongst the garbage is always some gems to be had such as Nitrile gloves, goodyear air hoses, hose reels, and numerous other small items. Just let the buyer beware because alot of the stuff is pure garbage.

-- -JimmyC...Clayton,NC- "Just smile and wave boys, smile and wave"

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Don K.

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#15 posted 04-20-2009 06:26 PM

As much as I hate to say this, I can actually see a market for cheap junk. My brother in-law bought a old house to remodel for his family. He is a “Handy-man” but does not do wood working for a living or even a hobby.

He was always calling me asking for advice on this and that, and being a life long wood worker, I always pushed quality over price. He instead took the stance of “Buy cheap, use it once, forget about it”

He bought things like the Plastic Craftsman table saw (I think he actually paid $99 for it new), Ryobi tools etc., but his house looked nice and when he was finished….and then he sold almost every tool he bought in a garage sale.

Now do I recommend this ?? NO…. but in a situation likes his, it worked. He bought just enough tool for the job, as cheap and low quality as possible. Put the extra money in his house, then made most of his tool money back through selling them.

As I said….makes me cringe just thinking about buying such junk, but for the “Weekend warrior” cheap will always win out.

-- Don S.E. OK

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