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BlankMan

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1954 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: bandsaw lathe planer drill press miter saw jointer tablesaw sander resource

My worse fears in the acquisition are being realized.

First it was the chop saws. Now it’s the jointers. And the laths too I believe.

I used to me able to walk into the local Woodcraft store and look at Unisaw’s, DJ-20’s, a couple of Delta’s 6” jointers, not no more. It’s all Steel City, SawStop, Powermatic, Jet. The local Rockler store too, Delta is disappearing.

My favorite Ace Hardware too, there are four stores owned by the same family. These are big Ace Hardwares and they compete well with the BB stores like Home Depot and Menard’s which are both just down the road. That’s where I bought my Delta 1-1/2HP dust collector when it came out, my 36-255L chop saw, to mention a few. Now, all those items are gone. Today, all their Delta stuff was on in-store sales for on average 1/3 off. So I talked to the tools manager who I know and asked why. They’re dropping the Delta line because Delta is dropping a lot of the products they sold. He said they’re going to pick up a different product line and he mentioned Jet.

So that’s 6 major outlets that Delta has lost in my metropolitan area IMO due to B&D. There’s two more big Ace’s that I frequent that know me and are both big in contractor and professional sales that I’m going to have to check out and see if it’s happening there too. They’re a bit of a drive so don’t know when I’ll do that, but it was always worth the drive because they have these big machines on display and would deal.

If B&D isn’t going to sell their Delta products through these outlets, where are they going to sell them? Next B&D will drop the Unisaw after 70+ years because it’s not selling because they destroyed all their channels.

History does repeat itself. B&D is doing the exact same thing that Rockwell did to both Delta and Porter-Cable that Pentair turned around. So maybe we have to wait another 10 years or so when B&D has run them into the ground and sells them off due to lack of performance and somebody like Pentair picks them up again and rejuvenates them.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI


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Woodchuck1957

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#1 posted 1954 days ago

Don’t even get me started on the new Unisaw.

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BlankMan

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#2 posted 1954 days ago

That bad? I haven’t seen one.

What concerns me about that is for all these years the parts haven’t changed much, thus you could always get them. Now I fear because they’re no longer the same that will end and probably be accelerated because that isn’t B&D’s business model. I.E. to support their products for as long.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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PurpLev

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#3 posted 1954 days ago

one thought could be that they are planning to direct more sales to online suppliers… but speaking for myself – especially with machinery and large tools – I like to get a feel for them at the local store and see their fit, controls, size, and all before I’ll make a purchase. kinda sucks to hear that though for Delta losing those sale channels.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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BlankMan

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#4 posted 1954 days ago

I agree PurpLev, I want to see them and touch them and I don’t want to pay $200+ freight. Did that only once with my 8” Star jointer, but I bought two, a buddy wanted one too, so I swung a deal on both and on the freight.

When I bought my DJ-20 they had one on display but none in stock so they had to order it but I didn’t have to pay the freight.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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DrDirt

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#5 posted 1954 days ago

I agree that B&D is bringing them down, but also I suspect that the Aces of the world really don’t sell that many stationary tools. People do indeel like to touch and feel them at ACE, Woodcraft etc, but once they decide they like it they start looking online and finding the tools on Amazon, Woodworkers Supply or Tool King and ordering, often on special discounts and with free shipping, directly to the house and sometimes without sales taxes.
People often talk about buying local, but in the end go bargain hunting…........then to Walmart and Harbor Freight.

-- "If we did all the things we are capable of doing, we would literally astonish ourselves." Edison

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PurpLev

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#6 posted 1954 days ago

Dave, it’s a buyers market. It’s the nature of the beast for a buyer to look for the same product for the least amount of out-of-pocket change possible.

with that in mind – I just bought a new table saw, and of the saws that I was considering buying, the local stores around me proved to have the best price/service even against the online sellers. so – I guess if you really want to -you can compete and draw buyers to your store- maybe not for every item in your stock, but you can definitely try your best. apparently – some are successful at doing so.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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BlankMan

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#7 posted 1954 days ago

The 6 Ace’s I am referring to did, I bought my Unisaw, DJ-20, and bandsaw from one and no internet price could beat the price on any of those three, and again, no freight costs, Then a friend bought his Unisaw at that same Ace and again the price could not be beat.

Last year another friend bought his Unisaw and DJ-20 at the other Ace I still need to check out and again, the price couldn’t be beat.

They do volume, and they are big stores, they’re not you’re typical strip mall 10,000 sq ft hardware stores, like I said they cater to contractors and professionals and they deal.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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DrDirt

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#8 posted 1954 days ago

My experience has been the opposite, but I think it is mainly due to the size of the community. We have True Value and Ace here in Salina, and they are notvery competitive. They sell lots of Chopsaws, small drill presses routers etc. But long ago stopped carrying hybrid and cabinet saws, so mainly are catering to construction and trim carpenters. I think is has a lot to do with inventory turnover. If you are in a community of 50,000 people, you aren’t selling 20 unisaws a month, but still need to keep the store open. If the store is only selling one a month or less, they cannot compete just as the mom and pops struggle against a giant like a Walmart.

What I don’t understand is why this is not an issue for Powermatic which is a higher price point, and Jet which is on par with Delta. I agree with blankman that when this is just about Delta Dropping products from its lineup there is a very insidius problem at Delta Management.

-- "If we did all the things we are capable of doing, we would literally astonish ourselves." Edison

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BlankMan

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#9 posted 1954 days ago

Yep, Dave I see your point, I’m lucky to live in an area that offers that competition factor. Even at that Ace when I bought my dust collector and chop saw I didn’t pay the sticker price. I got the store manager over and started wheeling and dealing. I’ve never paid sticker price for any of the large machine I bought. Unfortunately I see people are stuck with freight costs in order to get a good deal.

I learned a long time ago in a business law class in college that the price of an item in a store is not the price you have to pay it’s an invitation to barter. Some commerce l law if I remember correctly. Don’t know if that’s still on the books but people will look at you like your crazy but that’s what it was and I’‘ve used it to my advantage.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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ND2ELK

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#10 posted 1954 days ago

I work in the tool department at Lowes part time and we were told that Lowe’s was dropping the Delta tool line. I do not know if this is nation wide or just our region.

-- Mc Bridge Cabinets, Iowa

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Woodchuck1957

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#11 posted 1954 days ago

Judgeing by the Delta 36-979 Contractors saw that our local Lowes had on display for over a year, I can see why. I could of assembled the saw better blind folded.

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TheRecklessOne

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#12 posted 1953 days ago

I have the 36-979 and I love it. It works fantastic for me. I know exactly what you mean about the Lowe’s assemblers though. The floor model was in rough shape.

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JimmyC

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#13 posted 1953 days ago

This is a good thread because I was wondering the same thing myself. Yesterday I hit a couple of local woodworking stores Woodcraft and Klingspors’ Woodworking Store and noticed the same thing. The only Delta item sold at either store was an older Unisaw being sold at a clear out price. Between the two stores there was alot of Jet, Powermatic, Steel City, Shop Fox but no Delta.

I also wonder what’s up ?

-- -JimmyC...Clayton,NC- "Just smile and wave boys, smile and wave"

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marcb

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#14 posted 1953 days ago

Seriously? With Pentair going out of its way to cheapen the brand you think B&D is going to ruin it? I’m shocked its not already ruined. B&D can’t be worse for it than Pentair was

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BlankMan

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#15 posted 1953 days ago

marcb, Pentair actually did pretty good, they actually resurrected the Porter-Cable name back in ‘81 I think that Rockwell dropped.

And most of my Delta machines were purchased in the Pentair era and I’ve got no complaints. Unisaw, drum sander, bandsaw, 12” disc sander, mortiser, sharpening center, all well constructed and function well. I’ve had some issues with damaged parts on delivery on occasion but Delta was quick to send a replacement part, no serial number needed no proof of purchase needed. I’ve had a missing part or two on accessory purchases and again, they sent the missing part when I reported it.

Porter-Cable too, I’ve got a bunch of 690’s and their 3-1/4HP models and pretty near all their nailers, all Pentair era and I’ve yet to have a problem with any of them.

So from my perspective, Pentair did good, much better the Rockwell, and it appears now better then B&D too.

Go check out the products offered on Delta’s web site, compound miter saws are gone, jointers have lost all the entry lever models like the 6” JT360, the JT160 is a joke. Lathes are down to one, benchtop models gone, and for people that make small stuff like pens, that was a nice machine. The sharpening center’s gone. They’ve still got a lot of table saws, maybe that the direction B&D wants Delta to go.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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