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04-15-2009 03:10 AM

Topic tags/keywords: resource drill press

$400 Good deal or not? Solid quill and runs just fine,needs a little paint though. And cleaning to get the surface rust off.

Rockwell/Delta 15-655

Rockwell/Delta 15-655

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI


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#1 posted 04-15-2009 04:09 AM

What HP?

For a used drill press, that’s a little high in my estimation.

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#2 posted 04-15-2009 04:14 AM

That’s a bit high for a variable speed drill press that is as old as that one (30+yrs). It’s going to need a bunch of clean-up too. You can buy a new Delta non-variable speed floor standing drill press for less than that. I think $200 would be a fair deal, if it was in good working condition and you were willing to clean it up. The quill bearings may need replacing and the reeves drive may also need rebuilding. If any of this needs work $200 may be too much to pay.

CharleyL

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#3 posted 04-15-2009 04:39 AM

yeah, thats a bit high for such an aged machine. variable speed is great, but thats about it for this machine. should be closer to the $200 range in my opinion.

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#4 posted 04-15-2009 07:12 AM

Compare to new grizzlys see what you think.

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#5 posted 04-15-2009 09:54 AM

Padre: 1/2 HP Yeah I was a little disappointed in that, I was expecting at least 3/4 HP but that really doesn’t matter. My current drill press from Menard’s that has served me well for probably 20+ years came with either a 1/2HP or 3/4HP Taiwanese motor. Eventually it started to trip the GFI under load so when I finally got fed up with that I replaced it with a 1HP Marathon motor. So whether it had a 3/4HP motor or not, the thought in the back of my head was to put that 1HP motor on it.

Charley: Yes I could buy a non-variable speed drill press for half that, but if I were to buy a non-variable speed drill press I wouldn’t be buying a drill press, I would continue to use the drill press I have. The major point in replacing my drill press is to get a variable speed drill press. I’ve been doing this stuff for 40 some years now, not just woodworking but metal working also. The one then I don’t do, haven’t done, is change the speed by moving the belt on the pulleys when I maybe should. So when I drill a 1/4” hole in metal or wood, or use a 1-1/4” Fostner bit, or a 3” hole saw, I tend to run it at the speed it was last set to. I know, I bad. Call it laziness or what ever, but when I’m working on something I want to drill the hole and not dick around with the belts and re-tensioning the motor etc. I consider that a PITA. Like I said, I bad. Now, by just spinning a dial, I can adjust the speed to the job which will probably increase the tool life.

I’ve also been tracking these variable speed drill presses for a while, I’ve never seen one for $200, even a basket case. The best I’ve seen is $375 on eBay (starting bid, so, only if I won) and that would have cost me $225 for freight.

So, Charley, PurpLev, I’d really like to know if you’ve really seen these things going for $200. If you do some Google’n on the web, most places that sell surplus machinery are in the range or $900 to $1200. If they really go for $200 then, yes, this is not a good, deal.

Jim: I looked at Grizzly last week, I did not see any variable speed drill presses at all, so how can I compare?

Powermatic’s 18” is $900 plus, and Delta’s 20” is $800 plus. I really didn’t see a lot of options so I thought 1/2 price was pretty good. No? And don’t mention the Delta DP350 for $230 or what ever. Yes it’s a 1/2HP also but if you were to put a 1HP motor on it I’m sure it would tear itself apart. In looking at the pulleys of the variable speed mechanism and the cog belt on this 15-655, I’m sure this thing could take a 2HP motor and not even flinch.

Yes it may be 30 years old, but that’s one of it’s pluses IMO, over engineered and not built just good enough.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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#6 posted 04-15-2009 10:10 AM

If the surplus machinery places are getting $900 to $1200, there must be someting there the current models don’t have. What is it??

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#7 posted 04-15-2009 10:35 AM

Possibly because that they don’t make them anymore and it’s built like a brick shithouse. That was before they had computers and material analysis stuff like ANSYS that now allows them to do material stress testing on a computer screen to make the castings as thin as possible to save material costs. Back then it was gut feel, that’s why I say over engineered. They just didn’t want it to fail so they made everything thick, i.e. heavy.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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#8 posted 04-15-2009 11:26 AM

Yeah, you’re probably right:) It may be so well built it doesn’t need any rebuilding?? The old National Electricial Manufacturers Asociation standards from that era had control realys that were better than the motor starters we get today. They would last into infinity, where todays are good for 100,000 operations, then you have to fix it :-((

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#9 posted 04-15-2009 12:00 PM

Actually you’re right, it doesn’t need any rebuilding, just paint, cosmetic. I checked out all the bearings, any slop in the quill, the motor, etc. I don’t have to do anything except clean it up. And I’m amazed at the condition of the motor, I put a tach and a ammeter on it and it’s right on spec (nameplate) under load.

Speaking of control relays and contactors, I worked at Allen-Bradley in the 70’s and 80’s before Rockwell bought them and they became Rockwell Automation. All components we used and anything designed were derated 50%, somtimes more, which meant they could do twice what they were rated at and that was how they built quality into everything. Nowadays, everything is run right close to the limit, and that’s why they fail.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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#10 posted 04-16-2009 06:56 AM

Alright, done some more Google’n, still can’t find these going for $200, in fact the high price is now $1500.

So, what is the bias that $200 is the fair market price??

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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#11 posted 05-04-2009 07:22 AM

Padre, CharleyL, PurpLev, still waiting to hear what you base your price on? $200??? Show me.

a1Jim, where’s that Gizzly Variable Speed Model? And any with a 6” stroke anywhere near that $400.

My point being, one should really understand what the features and specifications are and what the market value is when giving advice and not shoot from the hip.

I decided to look around and ask the people that do have the knowledge in this area over at OWWM and it appears this was a very sweet deal.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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