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Forum topic by Joseph Jossem posted 01-25-2015 07:48 PM 1069 views 0 times favorited 16 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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01-25-2015 07:48 PM

I saw the show frame off I think its called and another one ellen DeGeneres is doing. The frame off show was pretty good minus the superior attitudes from the judges. Wonder if it will last or just another reality show


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#1 posted 01-25-2015 07:53 PM

Are you talking about this?

Ellen's Design Challenge

Cheers,
Brad

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#2 posted 01-25-2015 08:07 PM

yes looks pretty good

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#3 posted 01-26-2015 06:21 PM

It looks like the typical show full of people with attitudes. It’s an “entertainment” show after all, not a documentary or DIY show of the “New Yankee Workshop” level. I will watch the first show tonight, but I won’t be expecting much.

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#4 posted 01-26-2015 06:21 PM

I wouldn’t expect much after viewing the preview. It looks like the typical show full of people with attitudes. It’s an “entertainment” show after all, not a documentary or DIY show of the “New Yankee Workshop” level. I will watch the first show tonight, but I won’t be expecting much.

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#5 posted 01-26-2015 06:41 PM

Yeah looks like another drama show

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#6 posted 01-26-2015 07:03 PM

I’ve been watching Framework. I like it. Could do without the obnoxious personalities, but w/e. Sure beats most of the stuff on TV.

I wish though that they would quit with these rapid junk/weird materials challenges, they only lend themselves to making crap, and do more like the ping pong table; where all but the loser entry were at least nice. Noone wants to watch people flailing to make stupid furniture out of stupid materials; its a dumb idea for a challenge. Give them basic design parameters instead and let them go at it, actually competing to be the nicest of the nice instead of battling to be the least awful.

I’m going to watch Ellen’s show too.

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#7 posted 01-26-2015 07:40 PM

The weird materials and time constraints are to quickly weed out the weak; find out who really has creativity and knows about furniture design. Which the first challenge made obvious when half or more of them built furniture that was too tall, short, or uncomfortable. Otherwise everyone would just build what they usually build and take a month to do it. Plus you get the chance for someone to build something interesting like the bungee hammock. Like I said weeks ago, if you are expecting a woodworking show with Shaker furniture or the 155th way to hand cut dovetails, these shows will be a huge disappointment. If you are looking for something different in furniture design or to spark creativity then it can be interesting.

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#8 posted 01-26-2015 08:03 PM

Yeah it is pretty fun to watch what they can make with the materials provided. Some just cant adjust on the spot and fail.

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#9 posted 01-26-2015 08:29 PM

Where to you get the Framework show you referenced, Waldo88?

I can only get some HGTV programming but not many good shows there.Then there is always Rough Cut if you want some more fluff…

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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#10 posted 01-26-2015 08:32 PM

Framework is on Spike Randy. Not a fan of Rough Cut? lol

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#11 posted 01-26-2015 08:56 PM

Thanks Shane, nice to hear from you! I only have Spikes in the shop… limited channels in the country here.

Eh, no. Not a fan of Rough Cut.

IN MY OPINION, he gives everyone just enough information to get them to buy his plans – his lack of correct terminology and skipping some key steps which would help someone in actually building the “projects” is pretty sad. I could see where it could turn other people off, too.

If you can, look back at some of the old Norm shows, he describes length and width of the pieces, but often refers to the actual measurements on the plans (selling his plans too), but at least went through the assembly and construction more completely.

Didn’t want to get off the topic this far, but my favorite is the Woodwhisperer. By far the best in explaining, showing his mistakes, using the correct terms, and building projects you can develop your skills with.

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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#12 posted 01-27-2015 06:23 AM

Eh, no. Not a fan of Rough Cut.

IN MY OPINION, he gives everyone just enough information to get them to buy his plans – his lack of correct terminology and skipping some key steps which would help someone in actually building the “projects” is pretty sad. I could see where it could turn other people off, too.
- jusfine

Many of his projects have been ambitious, more complex than any other tv woodworker including Norm. There just isn’t enough time on a 30 minute show to hand hold the viewer through every step. I believe these shows are meant to motivate and inspire people to do woodworking. If you need instruction, there are woodworking schools, vocational classes, or Marc Spagnuolo; but you will pay for those just like you would pay for Tommy Mac’s DVDs.

-- http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#13 posted 01-27-2015 05:44 PM

Thanks for your perspective, Rick. I see now where I didn’t make my point clear. My point wasn’t about spending money for the plans or DVDs or needing instruction.

Purchasing any of the above mentioned “instructors” plans and watching their DVD or 30 minute TV show should give you basic coverage for construction, tips, identify areas where errors could be made, and cover the fine points providing you with the inspiration to complete the project. I agree with you there.

When the host doesn’t do that, and Tommy does not, it will likely turn the ambition and motivation off.

There is nothing more frustrating than trying to read a poorly drawn plan, and guess what comes next. But if the instructor covers those points, you can figure it out.

I suppose for those who just like to see what someone can do, and then turns it off until the following week, it would be fine.

But as someone who teaches other apprentices and carpenters in construction and finishing, well, I guess I just expect more.
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Joseph, sorry for hijacking your thread – I did see the show last night, it was interesting to see the quality of the product produced by the carpenter and furniture builder from Colorado (I think) and I believe I would watch it again.

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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#14 posted 01-27-2015 06:58 PM


Thanks for your perspective, Rick. I see now where I didn t make my point clear.
- jusfine

Your point was clear, I just don’t agree with it. But then I don’t expect everyone agrees with me either ;)

My thoughts on the Ellen show:
The desk definitely deserved to win. I wouldn’t classify it as campaign, more industrial. It looks nice but I wouldn’t buy it. The organic wall table was nicely done. The MCM cabinet was very nicely done, though I think the feet could have been better. The wall piece that got the guy sent home could have been a good piece were it thought out better. I would have turned the mirror vertical and put the coat hooks under the cabinet. The chair would have looked better if the legs curved in instead of out.

-- http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#15 posted 01-27-2015 07:19 PM

Damn I missed it I think frame off is tonight . I mainly like to watch the egos fight against each other. One thing I have noticed put a bunch of wood workers together anywhere and there will be conflict.

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