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AandCstyle

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01-21-2015 12:08 AM

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...created a headache for me. I am making a small box using frame and panel construction. The frames are 1/2” square and the groove for the panels is 1/4” deep. I want to attach the lid with hinges, but the hinge screws will then be screwed through the frame into the panel. This seems like it would create problems down the road. There is room for the panels to expand and contract into the bottom rail, however. Should I make a new rail (the original has already been mortised for the hinges) and just have the top sit into the box? Could I epoxy the bright brass hinges in place with the screws ground off so they are only in place for appearance? Any other thoughts or suggestions? Thanks!

-- Art


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Vest

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#1 posted 01-21-2015 12:20 AM

First of all I want to say, I know you are far smarter than I am when it comes to things like this. You have answered questions for me in the past and I have seen your work ( very impressive ). Could you not notch your panel where the screws will be so that the panel could still expand and contract? Just throwing it out there ,it might be totally insane.

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#2 posted 01-21-2015 12:30 AM

I don’t think there would be enough movement to cause any problem.

-- Tom D

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#3 posted 01-21-2015 01:08 AM

What is your panel material? How deep into the Motise will the screws go?

-- Made in America, with American made tools....Shopsmith

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#4 posted 01-21-2015 01:23 AM

I think the key words were “small box”. Meaning an even smaller panel. I would say the room it has to expand the other direction would be more than enough.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#5 posted 01-21-2015 01:39 AM

Vest, thank you for the compliments. I doubt that I am smarter, but I may have been at it longer. Any notching to the panels will show. :(

Tom, I agree that movement will be minimal, so this might be the best/easiest answer.

Jack, the panels are qswo, The screws are 1/2”.

Bill, you and Tom seem to be indicating that I should just screw through the rail into the panels. If that is the consensus, I am willing to give it a try.

I never had this problem making normal sized F&P boxes and just didn’t think it through. Ahem…....

-- Art

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#6 posted 01-21-2015 01:44 AM

I think it will be fine. I have been a victim of not allowing for wood movement in the past and now have a dining table with a big crack in it, but that was a big wide panel and it seemed the wood was not dry enough. I imagine your wood panel was adequately dry.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#7 posted 01-21-2015 02:02 AM

Yes, I live in the desert SW, but the shop is about 40% RH. The panel is only 2.75” wide so movement should be minimal. I will try this tomorrow AM unless somebody else jumps in with a different suggestion. Thanks to everyone.

-- Art

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#8 posted 01-21-2015 02:06 AM

Art, with a panel that small and given the material, I don’t foresee ANY problem.

-- Made in America, with American made tools....Shopsmith

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#9 posted 01-21-2015 02:39 AM

Just be sure to push the panel toward the rail with the screws before you install them, so all the gap (and all the movement) will be at the opposite (free) edge.

-- "A man may conduct himself well in both adversity and good fortune, but if you want to test his character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln

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#10 posted 01-22-2015 01:36 AM

Thanks, again, for all the replies. After sleeping on this, I decided (about 3 this AM) to make a new rail 3/4” thick to accommodate the screws. It required a few other minor changes, but I know I will feel better about the finished product. I will post pix when complete.

-- Art

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