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Forum topic by wildbill001 posted 01-20-2015 08:16 PM 2811 views 0 times favorited 21 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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01-20-2015 08:16 PM

Moved to a new home where I can finally set up a shop and still have room in the garage. Currently have a little Delta portable table saw that I bought about 10yrs ago. It did what I needed at the time but was never really “the” saw. I only paid about $75 for it after all.

So here are my like to haves />1) Under $600 as I do need more tools such as a lathe, maybe a jointer and a planer.
2) Able to rip 24” so I can cut a sheet of ply in half
3) Move-ability. or semi-portable. I need to be able to put a mobile-base under it
4) Ability to make angled cuts and lock the blade down so the angle won’t change
5) Ability to make a zero-clearance insert and/or custom-inserts
6) It would be nice to have space in front of the blade, maybe 4-6”? (Why doesn’t any mfg list that in the specifications?)
7) A somewhat decent fence. Doesn’t have to be a Unifence but I don’t want a stick and a c-clamp either.
8) 2” in port for shopvac dust collection would be nice.

Now before folks jump up and start yelling “Craigslist!”, I’ve been checking that. And it would be great if I wanted to spend $200-500 for a rusted, busted, no-motor, table saw.

So what would your recommendations be? So far I’m looking at the following:
1) Delta 36-725
2) Porter-Cable PCB222ts
3) Ridgid 4512
4) Ridgid 45161
5) Bosch (can’t remember the model number but it’s about $379)
Any other models out there I’m overlooking?

“Help me Obi-wan. You are my only hope” 8-)

Bill W

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#1 posted 01-20-2015 08:24 PM

If there’s anyway possible….and it sounds like there is…get a stationary saw and skip the portables unless it’s essential that you move it from site to site or store it on a shelf. With that said, I’d pull the PC, R45161, and Bosch out of the equation. I also don’t believe there are any portables that give suitable landing space in front of the blade….the full size saws should give near 12” (I agree that it’d be a useful spec… handier than blade RPM!) Of the two remaining, the has Delta a better fence and better track record IMHO. There…that was easy! ;-)

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#2 posted 01-20-2015 08:44 PM

Now before folks jump up and start yelling “Craigslist!”, I’ve been checking that. And it would be great if I wanted to spend $200-500 for a rusted, busted, no-motor, table saw.

You have to be patient when looking for what you want on CL and not just give up after a couple of days. With enough time, you could outfit your shop with a table saw, jointer and planer for $600, maybe even less depending on what deals you find. And many times, that used machine will include upgrades (fence, extension tables, mobile base, etc..) which would usually be an added cost when buying a new saw. Since you already have a saw, albeit not an ideal one, you can afford to keep using it while you keep an eye out for the deals (and be ready to pounce when it comes). Just saying.

Cheers,
Brad

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#3 posted 01-20-2015 08:46 PM

Do a search on this forum, there are more threads than you want to read answering your questions.

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#4 posted 01-20-2015 11:06 PM

A mobile base lets you move about any saw wherever you need it to go. It just takes more of a shove or tug to move a big heavy one.

Knotscott: does anyone actually choose a TS based on blade rpm? Admittedly, I have seen questions on this site about using a 1725 rpm motor, which would be pertinent.

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#5 posted 01-20-2015 11:20 PM

For what it’s worth I went through the researching and searching on CL and ended up getting the Delta 36-725. I’m happy.

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#6 posted 01-21-2015 12:20 AM

Hi very new here, My 1st TS was a 10” Craftsman portable, (job site saw) it lasted 2 yrs and died, I then bought a Makita 8” (1987/88) jobsite saw and another used Craftsman 10” flex shaft drive for my shop, I still have the 8”, but only use it for tile work, I bought a 10” Mak when the 8” began making little squealy noises in 03. I kept the 10” till 2002 when I bought the Delta 10” uni/arbor, shop saw, and gave the Crafstman to Bro-inlaw. I also bought a mobile base for the Delta. Basically all I ever had to do to it was change the belts, (I think in 2010) and adjust the fence, once for both. I’ve been really happy with the D 36-953, I didn’t like the look of the uni fence so I got the Biesemeyer, my only regret is the inability to square the fence to the table surface.

If you’re going for long term serious woodworking and you have some money, go with a 3hp 1phase. Jet, Powermatic and General also produce quality equipment. With a new tool you also get a warranty!

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#7 posted 01-21-2015 01:04 AM



... Knotscott: does anyone actually choose a TS based on blade rpm? Admittedly, I have seen questions on this site about using a 1725 rpm motor, which would be pertinent.

- runswithscissors

It’s a published spec, so it probably gets compared by newbies who aren’t sure what else to check. It’s usually the 127th item on my list of things to check for!

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#8 posted 01-21-2015 01:21 AM

t’s a published spec, so it probably gets compared by newbies who aren’t sure what else to check

It’s also a good indication of motor type.. if it says 5000 rpm, you can pretty much be sure it’s a universal motor and can run away screaming without having to look any further!

Cheers,
Brad

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#9 posted 01-21-2015 01:24 AM

Your criteria essentially hones in on the entry price point of the hybrid saws. If you’re looking new, the Delta 36-725 and the Ridgid R4512 (and Craftsman 21833) are the ones that fit your price limits. Bear in mind that those saws all have thin metal inserts making it more difficult to make your own ZCI. As others have mentioned, unless mobility and portability is an non-negotiable criteria, stick with one of those saws for new. Oh, and to blatently influence your research, spend some time looking into the Ridgid R4512/Craftsman 21833 alignment issue.

To do your due diligence on job-site saws, here is a brain dump of the high end job-site saws. For woodworking, I only looked at the Bosch 4100, Dewalt DWE7490/DWE7491/DWE7499, and the Ridgid R4510. Of those three, the Bosch and Dewalt would be better picks for making ZCIs, as they have about 1/2” thick inserts. The Ridgid has a thin insert setup.

I’m glad you brought up space before the blade as a criteria. It’s a sorely missed point in my opinion. When I was picking my saw, I went around and did a lot of measurements and research. Here’s what I found:
  • Full size saws (cabinet/hybrid) have about 12”+ of space before the blade, and about 4-5” behind the blade.
  • The high end job-site saws all have about 7” before the blade.
  • The lower end saws (e.g. Porter Cable PC222TS, Kobalt KT1015) have about 5” before the blade.
I use a Dewalt DWE7491 at home and a Delta Unisaw at a makerspace. I’m very impressed with what I can pull off on my Dewalt but if I were to rank the top 3 things that miss out on with the Dewalt versus the Delta, they would be:
  1. Biesemeyer style fence
  2. Those 5” before the blade
  3. The 3HP motor

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wildbill001

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#10 posted 01-21-2015 03:20 AM

Thanks for the feedback folks. At this point a cabinet saw is out of the question. And for those that have suggested the Ridgid 4512 or Delta 36-725, you are correct in that the more I look at what I want, the more the arrow starts to fall on either of these. Yes, i’ve been researching the Ridgid alignment issues. From what I have found/read it looks like those issues are in older models.

So tonight, I leaning heavily towards the 4512, mainly because of the “lifetime warranty” and the fence. But I’m going to make one more “inspection tour” of both models just to be sure.

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#11 posted 01-21-2015 03:47 AM

FYI I just posted a long blog post (rant) about my analysis of the $600 new table saw dilemma

http://lumberjocks.com/paxorion/blog/46689

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#12 posted 01-21-2015 05:55 AM

The only saw under $600 I would consider is the Delta. The Ridgid has a history of problems but if you like to gamble then go for it. But really I think you would be happier in the long run if you saved a few hundred more dollars and bought something like the Grizzly hybrid.

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iamwelty

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#13 posted 01-21-2015 07:58 AM

It’s a bit of a stretch, but the Grizzly G0715P looks like a better option…

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#14 posted 01-21-2015 11:54 AM

The only saw under $600 I would consider is the Delta. The Ridgid has a history of problems…

+1 on the Delta over Ridgid.

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#15 posted 01-21-2015 02:19 PM

Spent weeks agonizing about the very same. Delta all the way. Product AND service.

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