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JKTrevecca

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01-20-2015 12:37 AM

Everytime I google search for information about buying a table saw, very helpful threads from this forum pop up. This is my first post. I live in Tennessee, am a huge St. Louis Cardinals fan, have 2 kiddo’s, love to fish for striped bass and am a make-shift woodworker. I’ve built a lot of the furniture in our house and am currently building some built-in bookshelves/cabinets for our school room. We home-school our kiddo’s. This latest project, and a recently expanded shop-space due to a move into a new house has me in the market to upgrade table-saws.

Right now, I have a “tradesman” 10inch benchtop saw that I paid about 60 bucks for on a black friday sale a few years ago. It leaves a bit to be desired.

Can you offer any advice or opinions on choosing between these two saws?

A craftsman 152.221240 (for some reason, it doesn’t have the beisemeyer fence which based on a google search, all of these came with stock….? ) The saw has an “align a rip xrc” fence. I talked to the seller and he is selling it for his dad who purchased it new with the intentions of building a house and using it during the process. His dad never built the house and the seller said it’s been sitting in his garage with only a few sheets of OSB plywoood run through it since it was brand new. Here is a link to the posting with a couple photos. http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/4850201812.html

Or…. A new Ridgid r4512.

Thanks in advance. Can’t wait to hear your replies and opinions!


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knotscott

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#1 posted 01-20-2015 01:25 AM

The 22124 normally has a lot more going for it IMHO, but that fence mismatch makes it worth less than $475 to me. The Alignarip fence is fine, but it’s a far cry from a Biese…I’m curious as to why someone would take it off. With a Biese, that saw would be a nice deal @ $475, but with that align a rip I’d only offer ~ $350. On the plus side, the 22124 has big cabinet mounted trunnions, 44” of cast iron surface, and a lot of mass…. on the downside, it doesn’t have a modern splitter, and there’s no warranty. If you could get the 22124 for the right price, I’d still be temtped.

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#2 posted 01-20-2015 01:46 AM

475$ isn’t the greatest. Especially with the align a rip fence that is gonna need to go in the trash as soon as you get it.

But I would try to get that saw for 300$- 350$. Spend another 150$ to 200$ on a better fence

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toolie

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#3 posted 01-20-2015 02:20 AM

+1 on scotts comments.

that fence, assuming it has single piece fence rails, can be made every bit as accurate as a t2 or Bies. for $300 to $350 (max) is, IMHO, a better saw than the 4512, even though is doesn’t have a riving knife.

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#4 posted 01-20-2015 02:42 AM

Thanks for the quick replies. Let me add this to the comparison mix. A powermatic model 63 artisan saw. It’s very well used but has a Vega fence. It is the tube-style fence, however. I could get this for $400.00. Here is the craigslist link. Seams a little pricey to me for what it is. I went to look at it and it needs some TLC.

http://nashville.craigslist.org/tls/4832750724.html

Thanks again.

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#5 posted 01-20-2015 10:35 AM

$400 seems steep for an old PM63 too. While well made, it ads an outboard motor, grated wings, no mobile base, and right tilt to the mix….not to mention that it needs some TLC. I’d still be leaning toward the 22124 at the right price. The PM could be made in the USA, but could also be made in Taiwan if it’s a later PM63….not sure how much it matters, but if made in Taiwan it doesn’t fetch a premium.

Here’s another twist….a Ridgid 3650 for $350. The fence is a slight upgrade from the Alignarip, but is very similar. Has solid cast wings (sort of), outboard motor, left tilt, and the Herculift. At the right price, I’d grab the 22124 over this, but I’d be more comfortable with the 3650 if it looks good, than that particular PM63.

Here’s what’s under the hood of the 22124:

...and the 3650:

...and a PM63:

...and while we’re at, the R4512:

They all have potential with good setup and blade selection. The 22124 and the PM63 likely have the beefier motors. The 22124 has a full enclosure, cab mounted trunnions, is well proven, has an inboard motor, and has 44” solid cast surface going for it. The PM63 has a great fence. The 3650 is closer to reasonable and is well proven. The R4512 has a riving knife, inboard motor, steel wings, and warranty….and a history of some issues. What means most to you?

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#6 posted 01-20-2015 11:03 AM

JKTrevecca if you get the ridged be prepared to either return it or spend some time aligning the blade to the miter slot. Also you will have to trash the stock Miter gauge and get a new one like an Incra. While mine did not suffer from the dreaded Blade drift when to raise and lower the blade THAT one issue would have made me return mine to home cheapo.

if you get the R4512 you are going to be introduced to Metric Bolts and nuts so better have some of those tools available.

I played hell getting my blade parallel to the miter slot. In my opinion that is the most important Measurement (SETUP) all others come second and if you cant get it parallel TAKE IT BACK or use it as a boat anchor…

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#7 posted 01-20-2015 12:41 PM

While I think being used older saws is OK, I think you are much safer getting a saw with a driving knife and guards.

Without a driving knife the potential for kick backs is greatly increased.

Make your choice based not only on price but on an eye on safety.

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JKTrevecca

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#8 posted 01-20-2015 01:00 PM

Thank you all again. The “under the hood” pix are pretty convincing in favor of the craftsman. The ridgid’s both look pretty light duty in comparison.

I think i’m going to offer 325 for the craftsman and see if the guy comes back to me in a week or two. I’d have to drive 3 hours to get it so I don’t want to over-pay at all. Then again… I may sit back and be patient while stalking craigslist for a while. Once I get something in my mind, I just want to make a decision and move on. Patience is a virtue, however.

Have a great Tuesday.

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JKTrevecca

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#9 posted 01-21-2015 12:36 AM

Well… I was leaving the office this afternoon planning to swing by home depot with a harbor freight coupon and buy the 4512. Something inside of me said “check craigslist 1 more time before you leave”. I did and a guy had just listed a ts3650 rigid for 450. I e-mailed him b/c he didn’t have a phone # and he called me instantly. I told him I was literally on my way to buy a new one but if he would consider 300 i’d come look at his saw. He said he would sell it for that. I arrived and looked at it. Great shape. 1 very little spot of surface rust on the table from a paint can that was set on it. It has a 100 tooth blade in awesome condition. many of the pieces still have the original plastic protection file on them (fence handle, miter guage, etc). It looked brand new other than the rust spot. I ripped and cross cut a piece of poplar and was impressed with how quiet and smooth the saw ran. I told the guy I would buy it if he’d let it go for 250. He said ok. Then… he said. “do you need a router table” and pointed at a full size bosch router table with a bosch router mounted underneath, a set of fairly cheao ryobi bits, and said he’d sell it for 75 bucks. I said 50 and it’s a deal. So… i came home with a table saw i’m super excited about (i like the cast iron extensions much more than the stamped steel version on the 4512) an extra router, and a router table that I was needing all for about 200 less than what I was about to spend at home depot.

I’ll post pics and model #’s on the router stuff later. Gotta eat and then go unload this stuff. Holy cow this table saw is HEAVY!.... I know it’s not a cabinet saw but I’m happier than a tick on a deer.

Thanks again for all the replies on here. I really like this forum. I’ll post some pix of my projects later too.

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#10 posted 01-21-2015 03:22 AM

that 3650, while not a cabinet saw, has a dual voltage motor and a terrific fence which, when aligned properly, will provide every bit as much accuracy and reliability as any tsquare fence. it will handle anything a hobbyist wants to throw at it. it weighs less than 300 lbs, so its not really beefy, but it has sufficient mass to dampen vibration and provide for a smooth running saw.

but the rule is, no pics, didn;t happen. so let’s see some pics!

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JKTrevecca

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#11 posted 01-21-2015 03:05 PM

Saw, router and old table saw behind it, and my current project. Looking forward to getting going on the rest of it!

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#12 posted 01-21-2015 04:01 PM

That’s a nice upgrade at a great price. Get it aligned, and put a nice blade on it. Congrats!

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#13 posted 01-21-2015 08:27 PM

Nice deal…....and good job beating the price down. I’ve found that 8 time out of 10, people are selling this stuff because they are dying to get rid of it, not because they necessarily ‘need’ the money for an upgraded machine or any other particualr reason. I always offer a few bucks less…..without being a jerk about it.

Heck, a few months ago I bought a REALLY nice teak kitchen table and chairs off CL. The seller also had a matching buffet. I mentioned that I really liked the buffet, but wasn’t sure it’d fit in my house. I gave him $150 for the table and chairs and began loading them in my van. He then offered to give me BACK $25 if I’d take the buffet too. LOL. I shrugged my shoulders, took back the $25, and loaded the buffet in the van. I sold the buffet later that day for $550.

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JKTrevecca

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#14 posted 01-21-2015 09:00 PM

That is a great story. Not to morphe this into a craigslist thread but why not… My best craigslist swaps have been an outboard motor I bought for 100 bucks and sold for 550 the same week. Crazy thing is the guy I sold it to was going to re-sell it for 900 – 1000 and probably did. Craigslist is fun. I go through phases where I check it way too often looking for a steal. I’ve always had really good luck selling things there too.


Nice deal…....and good job beating the price down. I ve found that 8 time out of 10, people are selling this stuff because they are dying to get rid of it, not because they necessarily need the money for an upgraded machine or any other particualr reason. I always offer a few bucks less…..without being a jerk about it.

Heck, a few months ago I bought a REALLY nice teak kitchen table and chairs off CL. The seller also had a matching buffet. I mentioned that I really liked the buffet, but wasn t sure it d fit in my house. I gave him $150 for the table and chairs and began loading them in my van. He then offered to give me BACK $25 if I d take the buffet too. LOL. I shrugged my shoulders, took back the $25, and loaded the buffet in the van. I sold the buffet later that day for $550.

- Tedstor


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#15 posted 01-21-2015 09:08 PM

I go through phases where I check it way too often looking for a steal.

To find the good deals, you need to be 1) Patient, 2) persistent and 3) ready to pounce :)

My CL score this week was a 3HP Unisaw with extended wings, a commercial 50” Biesemeyer fence, rails and guide tube (in addition to the Jet-Lock fence and rails it came with) and a Biesemeyer commercial overarm guard. Got it for $150 and drive time.

Cheers,
Brad

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