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Forum topic by ekjohns posted 01-16-2015 08:28 PM 1649 views 0 times favorited 14 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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ekjohns

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01-16-2015 08:28 PM

I was just offered a TS3650 in good shape for $250. I have been looking at the r4512 and think with discounts applied I can talk my way into one for $400. I like the cast iron wings of the TS3650, although I dont think the stamped ones on the r4512 would really bother me. I think I would really like the riving knife on the r4512 which I can not get on the TS3650.

Also is there any difference in the fence? My top priority is accurate cuts. Please do not recommend a cabinet saw $400 is my max and I rent!

I know these comparisons have been done before but I havent found one in the last year. What would you all recommend?


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#1 posted 01-16-2015 08:41 PM

I’ve had the 3650 since it first came out in Canada, and it’s been very good for me. However, if I could get the deal you are talking about on the 4512, I would go for it. The riving knife would be the clincher for me.

-- Grant Wilkinson, Ottawa ON

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#2 posted 01-16-2015 10:43 PM

Thanks for the reply. My biggest caution right now is timing. This saw at $250 will not last the weekend. I am first in line with people waiting behind me!

I spoke with the owner and it has the spliter blade guard (new in package as he never used it). I didnt realize till today that the splitter tilts with the blade so the only benefit of the riving knife would be that it moves up and down with the blade? I dont see myself doing thru cuts since I will have a router table that I will use for dados. At $250 I am leaning to getting it and if I dont like it I could probably resell it at the same price after a few months. Should I have any reserves if the table saw works flawlessly at the $250 price point?

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#3 posted 01-16-2015 11:01 PM

The 3650 has a much better track record for being accurate and free of issues….it also has solid cast wings and a better fence. The R4512 has the benefit of a riving knife, inboard motor, and warranty. I personally would be all over the 3650 at that price vs the R4512 if you have room for the outboard motor. The way I see it, the 3650 is worth that price all day long, every day….if you don’t like it, or want the R4512 down the road, it’s still a possibility at no extra cost….just the effort to list the 3650.

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ekjohns

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#4 posted 01-16-2015 11:05 PM

I have room for the outboard motor now (although I wish it was inboard). It seems like the going rate for these saws with all parts is $300-$350 and that has been stable for 3 years. The reason he is selling is because he is moving and does not want to move it. I could see myself selling it if I move and getting the r4512 new when I move on. Does the 3650 not have the LSA that transfers?

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Luke

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#5 posted 01-16-2015 11:25 PM

Id jump on that 3650. SOLID saw. One piece fence rail, cast iron table tops.

I LOVE Mine. ZERO complaints.

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#6 posted 01-16-2015 11:29 PM

Which one has the better fence?

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#7 posted 01-17-2015 12:00 AM


I….Does the 3650 not have the LSA that transfers?

- ekjohns

AFAIK, no….the current LSA is for the original owner only. It was only transferable on the older tools like the 3612 and older. Generally speaking, if something was going to go wrong it would have happened by now, so you should be fine.

The 3650 has a better fence IMO. It also offers 36” rip capacity….not sure about the capacity on the R4512.

Have you read up on the problematic alignment issues that has plagued many of the R4512s?

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ekjohns

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#8 posted 01-17-2015 12:27 AM

First, THANK YOU ALL FOR THE HELP!!

Yes I have been reading about the R4512 but it seems like if you get that problem you know right away and all you have to do is call ridgid and they send you better truions (sp). Although it seems like most of the newer R4512 already have this issue fixed.

Sorry for all the questions, this would be my first table saw. The owner said he added maple to each side of the fence to allow for custom jigs to be used. Is this common? Should it be a big concern? I assume without seeing the saw, that the wood could be easily removed if I so decided and the fence would work without any problems.

Other than the ripping some wood, the nickle test, and making sure the blade is square is there any other obvious tests to perform

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#9 posted 01-17-2015 12:29 AM

Garbazon Las Vegas Says buying and R4512 is a true crap shoot! I would of taken my back if it hadn’t take a whole weekend to take apart and three guys to through it up in my truck bed.

-- If you don't Play, you can't win

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#10 posted 01-17-2015 12:36 AM

Maple pieces on the sides of the fence shouldn’t be a problem at all. Not at all uncommon to add faces to a fence, and they should be removable very easily if you don’t want them there.

The nickel test is mostly for entertainment. The nickels themselves are variables…the edges vary alot, so don’t read much into it. You’ll know if the saw is running smoothly enough or not.

Spin the blade by hand (saw unplugged) and listen to the bearings….grinding noises aren’t good, quiet is….bearings are replaceable, but the price should come down if there’s an issue. It’s nice if the hand wheels operate smoothly, but its common for them to be plugged a bit with sawdust….clean and lube should fix it. Ultimately if something is sticky, it should be easily adjustable or can be lubricated. If it’s loose, it can be tightened. Look the saw over for general condition, and check under the hood for any obvious cracks or breaks in the underpinnings…very rare BTW. Make sure everything’s intact and not broken. Check for overall flatness, but keep in mind that it would generally take a significant deviation to effect the cuts much….if it cuts well, all’s well. Make sure the fence and rails aren’t bent.

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#11 posted 01-17-2015 12:36 AM

For $250 the Ridgid might be worth it if you have the time patience and money to fix its problems. Your gunna need a New Miter gauge ”$100” as well. the ridged is almost useless.

DO NOT get a PALs alignment blocks they won’t fit the Ridgid even if they are FOR the Ridged. They will not fit

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Luke

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#12 posted 01-17-2015 12:44 AM

The 3650 had T slots in the fence on both sides as well as on the top for jigs. He likely utilized the slot to attach a Maple face to resemble a Biesemeyer style fence. I have a knick in my fence from the previous owner, and have done that before.

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#13 posted 01-17-2015 03:07 AM

3650 hands down over the 4512. the fence can be made to be as accurate and as easy to use as a delta t2. i have a t2 on a similar c-man and and OEM ridgid on an enhanced 2412. they both perform the same….after i set them both up correctly. the 3650 was modeled after the 3612, which was, IMHO, one of the best 10” CI contractor saws ever sold.

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#14 posted 01-17-2015 03:33 AM


For $250 the Ridgid might be worth it if you have the time patience and money to fix its problems. Your gunna need a New Miter gauge ”$100” as well. the ridged is almost useless.

- Garbanzolasvegas

I’m confused about which saw you’re talking about. There are two distinct saws in play here that are very different, even though they share the same name….a TS3650 and an R4512. The $250 Ridgid is a used 3650 that’s generally considered a reliable workhorse and should be good to go with minimal effort….what are the problems you’re referring to? It’s the R4512 that has the history of issues…mainly alignment problems when the blade height gets changed.

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