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DataDoc

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487 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: identify unknown wood species

I was driving along and saw a stack of limbs and some good sized (for me) trunk sections. I asked first and then loaded as many as my Focus could hold without tipping over backwards. I skinned off the bark on all but the most limb-ridden piece, and was cleaning up the mess when my wife asked “What type of wood is that?” I said it looks like blackgum to me (see http://forestry.about.com/library/tree/blbltup.htm ), but I’m not sure.

The bark slices off pretty easily and is in several layers; rough outer bark, thin brown layer below that, and a white pithy layer that turns reddish brown after 15 minutes or so. After being cut the wood turns reddish as well in a short time.
Debarked limbs and remaining trunk

Closeup showing bark and coloration.

Endgrain shows color and an inclusion

Closeup of layers of bark

Closeup of trunk

The white underbark will change to match the rest in about 15 minutes

Anyone know what it is? I plan on making a cutting board or two and some toy trains.

-- DataDoc, North Carolina, www.craigscrafts.com

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Dick, & Barb Cain

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487 days ago

My wild guess is it could be Apple. It bark looks like Apple also.

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

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DataDoc

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487 days ago

Dick, that might be a good guess, what with the quick oxidation, just like apple slices do. I scanned in some leaves that I collected while removing the bark. Maybe it can confirm your guess.

Leaves from the same tree

-- DataDoc, North Carolina, www.craigscrafts.com

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GaryK

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487 days ago

Looks like your state flower to me by looking at the leaf. That would make it a Flowering Dogwood.
Is it pinkish on the inside?

That’s a great fine grained wood. It can be used as a subsitute for boxwood. It turns really great also.

-- Gary, East TX -- The longest journey begins with a single step.

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DataDoc

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487 days ago

I walked outside and compared it to our dogwood, and its leaves are narrower and longer and a different attachment. Thanks anyway.

I do have some dogwood, from a tree owned by a former member of the famed Tuskegee Airmen, and that wood is pink. I carved a spoon for my wife’s birthday and it colors like olivewood from use.

Here’s my final scan of a piece of bark.Bark of ?

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GaryK

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487 days ago

I guess our Dogwoods here in Texas are more broad leaved.

-- Gary, East TX -- The longest journey begins with a single step.

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Red Headed Merganser

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487 days ago

There are actually 15 different varieties of dogwood that are native to north america and more than 40 worldwide (many of those can be found in N. America as well; they just aren’t native).

I don’t have my hand on my tree identification book right now; I’ll see if I can check it tonight and come up wtih something for you.

Off-hand, though, the heartwood doesn’t look like the flowering dogwood I’ve trimmed so many times in my parents’ yard – it is a wonderful nutty brown color. (And unfortunately, dogwood is subject to a lot of internal stressing and you will rarely see a good piece of it without some sort of checking.) I don’t think the dogwood has serrated leaf edges, and I recall the bark being more smooth, too…

Your images are quite good, though, so it shouldn’t take long to pinpoint. I’ll get back with you.

-- Ethan, http://www.merganserwoodworks.com, http://greystonegreen.blogspot.com/

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Nicky

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487 days ago

Osage Orange.

I’m just guessing though.

-- Nicky

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Red Headed Merganser

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487 days ago

Eh… unbeknownst to myself, I must have been smoking crack earlier. I was totally thinking of the redbud in my front yard when I was talking about dogwood. Redbud has rich brown heartwood.

The leaf of the apple tree has very distinct alternating veins and these are very bi-lateral.

Bhah… I couldn’t find anything in my N. American field guide that looked like those leaves…

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Bob Babcock

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487 days ago

Could be redbud but the fruit looks wrong. Are the leaves alternating or opposite each other on the branch? Tough to tell in some spots on that twig. It does look like a dogwood of some kind.

http://www.oplin.lib.oh.us/tree/leaf/leaf%20pages/074a%20not%20lobed%20shorter/shorter.html

I don’t know though something looks wrong.

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Karson

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487 days ago

I’ve never seen a box elder tree, but the picture that you showed of the wood reminds me of that . Who just turned the Box elder bowel maybe they can identify the bark.

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Dick, & Barb Cain

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487 days ago

Box elder looks similar to a Maple leaf.

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Bob Babcock

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487 days ago

I think you may be right about it being blackgum.
http://www.oplin.lib.oh.us/tree/fact%20pages/blackgum/blackgum.html

-- Bob, Carver Massachusetts, Sawdust Maker http://www.capecodbaychallenge.org

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Douglas Bordner

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487 days ago

Not dogwood. Dogwood leaves have leaf veins that run parallel to the leaf edges, and if you carefully break a green leaf, there are little spider webby looking white fibers that allow the broken section to dangle from the main section. Great magic trick for small children, ooh floating leaf ends (thanks Euell Gibbons, wherever you are).
Not blackgum, as they have smooth margins, these appear to serrated.

I am guessing it’s a crabapple.

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Drew1House

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487 days ago

They have a really good plant database over at davesgarden.com… they should have it.

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DataDoc

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487 days ago

If you look at the full-sized picture of the leaves you can see most of them are rounded rather than pointed. I think crabapple is too pointy. Thanks for the guess.

-- DataDoc, North Carolina, www.craigscrafts.com

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Douglas Bordner

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483 days ago

Is the wood light or heavy? Several taxonomy keys on-line pointed to Basswood.

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Thos. Angle

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483 days ago

Well, it ain’t sagebrush or juniper

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DataDoc

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483 days ago

It’s very heavy, I could barely pick up the largest piece to put in the back of my car. I hand trucked them once I got home and used a chainsaw to cut the largest piece (1st photo above, on the right side) in half so I could manage them once I got home.

-- DataDoc, North Carolina, www.craigscrafts.com

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Wooder

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482 days ago

Looks like pear to me.

Jimmy

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scottb

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482 days ago

RobS has used plenty of Osage – very heavy – could easily confirm or deny that guess… whaddaya think there robbo?

I stumbled across a tree ID site recently that is based on leaves and flowers… let me take a look if I can stumble across that again, perhaps it was a LJ who posted it? Ring a bell anyone?

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scottb

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482 days ago

The id guide over at arborday foundation said its a flowering dogwood… this was a quick sketch based search. I’ve seen a similar site using actual pictures that was much more advanced. Can’t seem to find it though… I’ll keep looking – It was a great resource!

http://www.arborday.org/trees/treeID.cfm?TrackingId=154

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Buckskin

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482 days ago

My vote is for the dogwood family.

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GaryK

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482 days ago

Cut a piece along it’s length, and if it is pinkish on the inside then it’s a Dogwood.

-- Gary, East TX -- The longest journey begins with a single step.

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RobS

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472 days ago

I know this is an old topic, but it is not osage orange, can tell by the bark and leaves.

-- Rob (A) Waxahachie,TX

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