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Eugene Dickson

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01-09-2015 04:00 AM

I am shopping for a band saw that will last me through retirement. I am only 46, so it will need to last and do it all. I have a Delta 28-206 14” saw that I have made to run as well as it ever can, but I know there are better machines out there. I am looking at the Hammer N4400, Rikon 10-346 & Powermatic PM1500/PM1800. All of these are in my price range except for maybe the PM1800. At $4800, it would be more than double the money of the others, but I just can’t see it being twice the saw.

I have read plenty of manufacture info on these saws but nothing comparing them together. Personally, I am leaning toward the N4400 so far. It is an import, but it is from Austria and not Asia like so many other things seem to be these days. Please share experiences, likes and dislikes.

Thanks in advance, Eugene

-- Eugene Dickson


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Loren

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#1 posted 01-09-2015 05:08 AM

From what I’ve read Powermatic has gone downhill.

Aggazanni is one of the best modern band saws.

Unless you want to get into old American iron, a
steel frame band saw 18” or larger from Italy, Germany
or Austria is probably the safest option if you want
a machine that is all-around satisfactory and you’re
not too hung up on getting a bargain.

That said, any 18” or larger band saw is lot more machine
than a typical 14”.

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Eugene Dickson

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#2 posted 01-09-2015 06:12 AM



From what I ve read Powermatic has gone downhill.

Aggazanni is one of the best modern band saws.

Unless you want to get into old American iron, a
steel frame band saw 18” or larger from Italy, Germany
or Austria is probably the safest option if you want
a machine that is all-around satisfactory and you re
not too hung up on getting a bargain.

That said, any 18” or larger band saw is lot more machine
than a typical 14”.

- Loren

Just read that Agazzani is no more. Article said they were bought out by Panhans. I also have read poor reviews about PM lately. So far I am steering toward the Hammer N4400 or the Rikon 10-346. If I get the Rikon, it is because my local Woodcraft is a dealer. I really like the looks of the Hammer though. Not too worried about getting a bargain, $2000-2500 is my preferred price range and $3000 would be the limit.

-- Eugene Dickson

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Minorhero

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#3 posted 01-09-2015 11:44 AM

Get the rikon. More motor, more larger throat for the same money. The other thing is that at least in the picture on the site, the hammer seems to have the dust collection port in the wrong place. Way down by the wheel instead of up near the table with no apparatus to collect that dust. The rikon at least has it in the right place.

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Eugene Dickson

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#4 posted 01-19-2015 08:52 PM

Well, I was pretty set on getting the Rikon, but I have read so many poor Rikon tool reviews I am not sure anymore. One problem is, I can’t find any info on this particular saw other than from Rikon. Does anyone here have the 10-346 saw that can chime in here?

-- Eugene Dickson

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ElChe

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#5 posted 01-19-2015 10:23 PM

Agazzani if you can find one used. Or contact Eagle Tools to see if they can still get them. Or a MiniMax. Sweet bandsaw. Both were way out of my price range. The Laguna Italian saws look awesome but I’ve heard some negative comments about their customer service.

Or save a ton of money and get a Grizzly. Yeah. From Asia but they are nice saws. I’m very happy with my 17” G0513X2 although I wish I would’ve gotten the foot brake. The cast iron wheels do take quite a while to spin down.

-- Tom - Measure twice cut once. Then measure again. Curse. Fudge.

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waho6o9

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#6 posted 01-19-2015 10:32 PM

Lumber Jocks’ reviews on Bandsaws may help:

http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/category/2

How about an Oliver?

http://www.olivermachinery.net/index.php?node=machines&type_id=8

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AlaskaGuy

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#7 posted 01-20-2015 04:18 AM

I bought an Agazzani 24’’ band saw in Dec of 2009. I still have it and it’s a great band saw.

This is what Jesse has to say,

“In response to your question about Agazzani in Italy:

The reputable German company, PANHANS, has recently purchased AGAZZANI.
For years, Panhans has been the distributor for Agazzani in Germany.
Now Panhans will produce these bandsaws in their own factory along
with the other high quality woodworking machines Panhans has been making
for over 60 years.

http://www.hokubema-panhans.de/

I am encouraged to know that Panhans intends to continue the Agazzani tradition
by building the bandsaws following the original factory materials and specifications.
Panhans personnel spent several days in training in Italy at the Agazzani factory.

Mr. Carlo Agazzani started making bandsaws in Italy in 1938. After his death,
family members continued to guide the work at Agazzani. The era of the
family owned Agazzani factory began coming to a close upon the
death of Mr. Carlo Agazzani’s wife, a few months ago.

Note: The old Agazzani factory in Carpi, Italy is being closed (liquidated)
because the manufacturing is being transferred to Germany where Panhans
has their own manufacturing facility”.

Jesse Barragan
EAGLE TOOLS
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Los Angeles, California

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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waho6o9

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#8 posted 01-20-2015 04:29 AM

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#9 posted 09-22-2015 07:05 PM

Eugene,

Did you end up getting a bandsaw? I called a Hokubema/Panhas rep (new Agazzani owner and manufacturer). I haven’t heard back. I get the sense they aren’t really that dedicated to the U.S. bandsaw market. And I’m assuming that prices have incerased since the move to Germany, but I don’t know. I’m in the same position you are. I’d rather get a nice machine that works properly and reliably, and that I can keep through retirement. I’m hoping to learn from your experience :)

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Eugene Dickson

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#10 posted 09-22-2015 07:48 PM

I am leaning towards the Powermatic PM1800 mainly due to the fact that the dealer is 10-15 minutes away. Because of that, it will probably be the machine I get (After I replace my Uni-Saw with a Saw Stop ICS that is).


Eugene,

Did you end up getting a bandsaw? I called a Hokubema/Panhas rep (new Agazzani owner and manufacturer). I haven t heard back. I get the sense they aren t really that dedicated to the U.S. bandsaw market. And I m assuming that prices have incerased since the move to Germany, but I don t know. I m in the same position you are. I d rather get a nice machine that works properly and reliably, and that I can keep through retirement. I m hoping to learn from your experience :)

- jasonbyu75


-- Eugene Dickson

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AlaskaGuy

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#11 posted 09-22-2015 07:50 PM



Eugene,

Did you end up getting a bandsaw? I called a Hokubema/Panhas rep (new Agazzani owner and manufacturer). I haven t heard back. I get the sense they aren t really that dedicated to the U.S. bandsaw market. And I m assuming that prices have incerased since the move to Germany, but I don t know. I m in the same position you are. I d rather get a nice machine that works properly and reliably, and that I can keep through retirement. I m hoping to learn from your experience :)

- jasonbyu75


If your interested in Agazzani call Jesse.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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DrDirt

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#12 posted 09-22-2015 08:10 PM



I am leaning towards the Powermatic PM1800 mainly due to the fact that the dealer is 10-15 minutes away. Because of that, it will probably be the machine I get (After I replace my Uni-Saw with a Saw Stop ICS that is).

Eugene,

Curious what you plan to do in your shop that you want the SS ICS versus the PCS
Looking at a lot of really massive iron – for a retirement hobby?

-- 'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' ~George Carlin

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Eugene Dickson

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#13 posted 09-22-2015 08:17 PM

Mainly because of the height of the ICS. It is very close to the UniSaw which has a very comfortable working height for me. I really like the height and depth of the ICS vs the PCS. Mainly cabinet/furniture making. It is a hobby that I enjoy now, but will have much more time to enjoy once retired.

I am leaning towards the Powermatic PM1800 mainly due to the fact that the dealer is 10-15 minutes away. Because of that, it will probably be the machine I get (After I replace my Uni-Saw with a Saw Stop ICS that is).

Eugene,

Curious what you plan to do in your shop that you want the SS ICS versus the PCS
Looking at a lot of really massive iron – for a retirement hobby?

- DrDirt


-- Eugene Dickson

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bonesbr549

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#14 posted 09-22-2015 08:21 PM

If it were me, (i’m up to 3 BS’s now), I’d go find an old tanowitz, for the big stuff and keep an old 14” for the small stuff.

Right now I’ve got a 1934 Delta thats awesome and use it mostly. I have a griz 17” that is set up for resaw only, and I’ve got a walker turner 16” cast iron beast of a saw I’m going to refurb (got the bearings) and use for something don’t know what yet sucker weighs about 800 lbs.

If you can get an old american piece of iron that would be better.

-- Sooner or later Liberals run out of other people's money.

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Eugene Dickson

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#15 posted 09-22-2015 08:36 PM

That would be a good way to go, except with my on-call work schedule I would rather use the limited time I have making sawdust than restoring an older machine.


If it were me, (i m up to 3 BS s now), I d go find an old tanowitz, for the big stuff and keep an old 14” for the small stuff.

Right now I ve got a 1934 Delta thats awesome and use it mostly. I have a griz 17” that is set up for resaw only, and I ve got a walker turner 16” cast iron beast of a saw I m going to refurb (got the bearings) and use for something don t know what yet sucker weighs about 800 lbs.

If you can get an old american piece of iron that would be better.

- bonesbr549


-- Eugene Dickson

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